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Old August 12th, 2019, 11:44 AM   #21
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Maturity is letting foreigners invade, take over and commit horrible crimes without putting up a fight.... yeah we get that... conservatives here are fighting back. You guys are losing the battle completely. British reproduction is so low that your family lines will become extinct in years to come. A population has to produce 2 + offspring on average to sustain... your lineage is gone, you just don't know it yet.
Really, the British are going extinct, did you just make that up or can you show evidence of any actual factual word in that statement?

You two troll's ignorance is certainly entertaining, Rufus is openly using words that are offensive to All, and you just type "Stupid" over and over.
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Maturity is letting foreigners invade, take over and commit horrible crimes without putting up a fight.... yeah we get that... conservatives here are fighting back. You guys are losing the battle completely. British reporduction is so low that your family lines will become extint in years to come. A population has to produce 2 + offspring on average to sustain... your lineage is gone, you just don't know it yet. Invaders are going to out pace british.
You are mistaking migrants for invaders. Have a look at the history of both of our nations. We are made from migrants. Britain has been conquered several times, our blood is mixed with German, French, Viking, Roman etc. We have welcomed migrants for hundreds of years, this idea of 'family lines' is a racist idealism of an aryan race. it doesn't exist and if it did I would want it to be made extinct through integration and mining of blood. I am already a mix of peoples from across the world and very happy to be so.
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might shoot themselves in the foot, I mean it's been so long since anyone over there knew how to really use one... anything could happen...

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might shoot themselves in the foot, I mean it's been so long since anyone over there knew how to really use one... anything could happen...

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Old August 18th, 2019, 03:44 PM   #25
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They don't live here or have never been here, telling us how to live our lives as socialists. If you haven't had the freedoms we have and exercise, you really have no idea what is possible. Our insurance costs were awesome until bozo came into power. A guy I met several years ago when I went to a technical school for some equipment that we sold and trouble shoot and met him there. He was a brit. It was commical even. He was blown away by the size of our common pickup trucks. Also blown away that we had guns and weapons. He said he was going to rent a truck during the week, find a crew cab dually and drive it around for fun. Then go to a shooting range and do some shooting practice and have a good time. There were several other things he was looking into as well. Was making the trip over here worth it and more after training in classes. We all hit the bars daily after school. Nice guy, not taking the "governments" word for what he could or could not do or experience. So over here he had some fun for a change.


EVERYBODY has the right to defend themselves from being criminalized by thugs in their day to day living for all their lives. We have the freedom of speach(except for anti-freedom antifa scum). We also have the freedom to walk away from scumbag without fear of harm. Harm us in a state that allows you to protect yourself, you are taking your life into your own hands... with equal and sufficient power applied.

Seems like the freeloaders are taking over britain anyway, give it while... how are they supposed to defend themselves against invading scum... pencils... and bull(sh )horns....

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Ha, A Racist chooses this image to Troll Racism.

Notice the only man fighting back and dying on his feet is the Black man up front and central, perfect.

The Racist's hatred of all things makes them only see hate.
This battle depicts Freedom Fighters fighting oppression, and the Black man is symbolic of the freedom to choose your battles, live your own life.
And stand against oppression, the English were oppressing the Colonies, soon after this time period, the English outlawed Slavery, here we are in 2019 and the Republican party is re-instituting Slavery, it's making money off children it's separating from their parents, and locking in cages, an unconstitutional activity.

But what about our GUNS?

After we vote the hate out of Washington, we'll pass gun legislation.

Ha, Trump is starting to call in favors to get seats filled at his (At the Shell rally attendee's were paid) hate rallies, America is starting to stop hating.

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This really is the perfect picture to show the lack of empathy and intellectualism on the part of these gun worshiping Racist's.
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They don't live here or have never been here, telling us how to live our lives as socialists. If you haven't had the freedoms we have and exercise, you really have no idea what is possible. Our insurance costs were awesome until bozo came into power. A guy I met several years ago when I went to a technical school for some equipment that we sold and trouble shoot and met him there. He was a brit. It was commical even. He was blown away by the size of our common pickup trucks. Also blown away that we had guns and weapons. He said he was going to rent a truck during the week, find a crew cab dually and drive it around for fun. Then go to a shooting range and do some shooting practice and have a good time. There were several other things he was looking into as well. Was making the trip over here worth it and more after training in classes. We all hit the bars daily after school. Nice guy, not taking the "governments" word for what he could or could not do or experience. So over here he had some fun for a change.


EVERYBODY has the right to defend themselves from being criminalized by thugs in their day to day living for all their lives. We have the freedom of speach(except for anti-freedom antifa scum). We also have the freedom to walk away from scumbag without fear of harm. Harm us in a state that allows you to protect yourself, you are taking your life into your own hands... with equal and sufficient power applied.

Seems like the freeloaders are taking over britain anyway, give it while... how are they supposed to defend themselves against invading scum... pencils... and bull(sh )horns....
You really are a despicable person aren't you? You refer to 'invading scum'. Who exactly are these people? We have over 3 million EU citizens living and working in the UK and are glad to have them. We have large numbers of non EU migrants who contribute positively to the social mix of the country. You clearly don't understand that migrants tend to be younger, healthier, more economically active and less likely to use public services than your average 'native' person, so they contribute significantly financially as well as socially to the country's well being.

Your country is built on migrants and it's success has been driven by wave after wave of migration from all parts of the globe, yet you reject these people as 'scum'. Shame on you.

On healthcare, your particular insurance cost may have gone up, but there are now millions more disadvantaged people in your country who now have health insurance who were excluded previously. Is this a bad thing?Would you be happy for insurance to be withdrawn from these 20 million people with no replacement option? Remember if you were to lose your job this could easily be you.

You don't have the freedom to walk away from people without fear of harm, universal gun ownership means that yes, you can have a gun, but so does the other person. I would argue that makes your world much more dangerous than mine, also supported by the evidence on levels of violent crime which are much higher in the US than the UK.

Finally for now, where does the UK Government tell me what I can and cannot experience?
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You really are a despicable person aren't you? You refer to 'invading scum'. Who exactly are these people? We have over 3 million EU citizens living and working in the UK and are glad to have them. We have large numbers of non EU migrants who contribute positively to the social mix of the country. You clearly don't understand that migrants tend to be younger, healthier, more economically active and less likely to use public services than your average 'native' person, so they contribute significantly financially as well as socially to the country's well being.

Your country is built on migrants and it's success has been driven by wave after wave of migration from all parts of the globe, yet you reject these people as 'scum'. Shame on you.

On healthcare, your particular insurance cost may have gone up, but there are now millions more disadvantaged people in your country who now have health insurance who were excluded previously. Is this a bad thing?Would you be happy for insurance to be withdrawn from these 20 million people with no replacement option? Remember if you were to lose your job this could easily be you.

You don't have the freedom to walk away from people without fear of harm, universal gun ownership means that yes, you can have a gun, but so does the other person. I would argue that makes your world much more dangerous than mine, also supported by the evidence on levels of violent crime which are much higher in the US than the UK.

Finally for now, where does the UK Government tell me what I can and cannot experience?
Your valid points are all ignored by these Racist's that ignore reality.
In the case of ferocious, I honestly don't think he understands the seriousness of the situation, he isn't capable of understanding the deceit Trump is undertaking, and his capability to discern truth from propaganda is lacking, he never offers fact's, just conjecture and now to our delight, the conjecture has stopped and it's back to "Troll'ish" self portraits.
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F U Queenie.
Say's the RACIST.

Let's help a Stupid, Racist, Rapist steal the White House and aid Russia in world domination while we ignore the US ancient trade partners.
And let's just insult the queen in the most vile way possible, because we are the most vile.
Let's lie about our beliefs, if anyone knew we were Racist they would tell all the other honest tax paying people, so we lie and we cheat and we steal and we make ourselves the most morally corrupt Racist's on the planet.

Win-Win
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Say's the RACIST.

Let's help a Stupid, Racist, Rapist steal the White House and aid Russia in world domination while we ignore the US ancient trade partners.
And let's just insult the queen in the most vile way possible, because we are the most vile.
Let's lie about our beliefs, if anyone knew we were Racist they would tell all the other honest tax paying people, so we lie and we cheat and we steal and we make ourselves the most morally corrupt Racist's on the planet.

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This is amusingly stupid. I generally like Brits. So not racist.
Russia ain't dominating squat. Yawn.
The Queen debases herself, knighting a gay musician. That's a disgrace.
Lie about beliefs? You lost me there. My beliefs are what you attack all the time. If I were lying about them, I would sound like you, and you'd be my buddy. Wow. Yeah. Gonna need a shower after that thought.
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The Queen debases herself, knighting a gay musician. That's a disgrace.
I keep asking these questions and you never answer, but I'm going to keep trying.

Can you explain why it's a disgrace to knight a gay musician? I'm thinking this is just because you are a homophobic person as well as a racist mysogynist, but any other reason for this?
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Even if you agree with the right to bear arms, why does this include automatic assault rifles and machine pistols. Where does it say there should not be background checks so the mentally unstable cannot obtain guns easily?
[I]Article (Amendment 1 - Freedom of expression and religion) 13

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Article [II] (Amendment 2 - Bearing Arms)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


The Bill of Rights and Article [I] spells out our rights. Article [II] gives us the power to keep those rights.

Article [II] is carefully worded. It has NOTHING to do with hunting or sport shooting. It is referring to a "well regulated Militia" meaning "well prepared army of common people" for defending their rights granted by The Constitution.

The term "Arms" was carefully chosen as well. Notice it does NOT say "hunting" guns. Because the people who wrote the constitution knew there would be advancements in weaponry they couldn't even dream of. A "Militia" needs "military grade" firepower. So theoretically, Article [II] grants us (We The People) the right to own military weapons for the sole purpose of defending ourselves from a corrupt government, should that ever happen.

Now if you disagree with The Constitution of the United States, this is allowed. But in order to get rid of military weapons, first things first, you need to get rid of Article [II]. It can be done. Super majority of both houses of Congress and approval of 3/4 of the states. Good luck with that.

If any person trying to get your vote in any election tells you they are going to INFRINGE upon you right to bear ARMS, they are either ignorant of The Constitution or purposely lying to you go get your vote. Perhaps you shouldn't vote for them in either case.

...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You see that SHALL NOT part? Any Supreme Court worth a damn understands SHALL NOT believe me.

As for background checks, this infringes on privacy laws. As for the mentally ill - who gets to decide what person, protected under The Constitution, is mentally ill ENOUGH to deny them Article [II] or any other rights granted to them by that document and the laws behind it? Notice there is nowhere in The Constitution where it says "...except for the mentally ill".

See for yourself: https://constitutionus.com/

The "mentally ill" are also fully protected by The Constitution until they prove themselves unworthy by committing an actual crime. Being mentally ill is not a crime last time I checked. The law protects everyone equally. And thankfully.

As for "common sense" gun laws (a meaningless term), we already have one: It is ILLEGAL to kill people. Oops! Some people don't obey laws do they? This is why we need guns.

Another meaningless term is "gun violence". What...the...Hell...is...THAT??? If I grab my wife's Camry and drive it 100 mph down a street crowded with American Nazis killing a dozen of them before their bodies stop my wheels from turning is that CAR VIOLENCE?? Are we going to ban cars? All of them or just Camrys? Just beige Camrys? Don't all cars work pretty much the same for killing people? Same with guns. They all work pretty much the same way. Recalling a STYLE of gun that happens to be the fashionable way to kill a bunch of people is just as dumb as banning Camrys if I chose to use one in a murder.

So if you hear a politician use the term "gun violence" or "common sense gun laws" or claim they will take away all of the "blue guns" but not the red, yellow, and green ones....that politician is full of $h!t. You should carefully consider not voting for a liar or ignoramus. Or discriminate against a mentally ill person who has committed no crime? Call bull$h!t on that too. Or that MOST PEOPLE want to get rid of military style weapons. If this were true then we could delete Article [II]. More BS.

Of course if you don't like The US Constitution and the protections it gives us, including the right to protect ourselves, then you need to change it or find a place to live that has rules more to your liking. I think we can all agree that that document is a good thing overall.
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So you agree it says nothing about a prohibition on background checks? Glad that's all sorted. You could have answered in a much shorter post you know.
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So you agree it says nothing about a prohibition on background checks? Glad that's all sorted. You could have answered in a much shorter post you know.
Background checks for what, exactly? If they are a convicted felon, they have been stripped of their right to own a firearm by law. Almost none of the mass murders in the USA lately were committed by felons. So every one of those killers would likely have passed a background check.

Why should we all give up our legal rights to privacy from our government's prying eyes for a moot point? Rights were hard fought to acquire. Most Americans should be reluctant to just give any of them up, especially with the state of our government right now. Would you trust the US Government right now? Or ever?

This is why we don't have background checks right now. It is illegal under the constitution, or at least alluded to. So this needs new language in order to infringe on individual privacy.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


So basically, in order for someone to issue a background check on YOU, they are forbidden by the constitution to do this without your express permission. Like when I started a new job with the state recently. They had to ASK my permission to do a background check on me. This is a good thing. A retail store has no right to even ask your permission for a check before you make a purchase of ANYTHING.

I am not saying that background checks for military weapons purchases are a bad idea. I am saying that it is illegal at the current time. It takes an act of Congress to change a law which keeps a President from making dictatorial decisions that affect all of us. Congress represents We The People and are required to do our bidding after we elect them. Or they lose their jobs in the next election. More than half out states are conservative or leaning that way, so changing the gun laws is not a simple task. Thankfully.

It is annoying when well meaning people make statements based on ignorance of United States Civics and law. Just because a FEW people want something does not mean it will ever get done. But politicians will make rash promises to get our votes. It is up to US to check them out for truth. So far as Democrats go, Bernie Sanders is the only one who has not lied to us about gun laws. He said simply "let the individual states decide". Smart man. Everyone else is a liar or ignorant.

On the other side of the isle, Republican William Weld is telling the truth about gun laws. Everyone else is trying to fool us. Again.

Sorry for the long post. School education takes a long time. I hope you read every word.
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Background checks for what, exactly? If they are a convicted felon, they have been stripped of their right to own a firearm by law. Almost none of the mass murders in the USA lately were committed by felons. So every one of those killers would likely have passed a background check.

Why should we all give up our legal rights to privacy from our government's prying eyes for a moot point? Rights were hard fought to acquire. Most Americans should be reluctant to just give any of them up, especially with the state of our government right now. Would you trust the US Government right now? Or ever?

This is why we don't have background checks right now. It is illegal under the constitution, or at least alluded to. So this needs new language in order to infringe on individual privacy.

Article [IV] (Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


So basically, in order for someone to issue a background check on YOU, they are forbidden by the constitution to do this without your express permission. Like when I started a new job with the state recently. They had to ASK my permission to do a background check on me. This is a good thing. A retail store has no right to even ask your permission for a check before you make a purchase of ANYTHING.

I am not saying that background checks for military weapons purchases are a bad idea. I am saying that it is illegal at the current time. It takes an act of Congress to change a law which keeps a President from making dictatorial decisions that affect all of us. Congress represents We The People and are required to do our bidding after we elect them. Or they lose their jobs in the next election. More than half out states are conservative or leaning that way, so changing the gun laws is not a simple task. Thankfully.

It is annoying when well meaning people make statements based on ignorance of United States Civics and law. Just because a FEW people want something does not mean it will ever get done. But politicians will make rash promises to get our votes. It is up to US to check them out for truth. So far as Democrats go, Bernie Sanders is the only one who has not lied to us about gun laws. He said simply "let the individual states decide". Smart man. Everyone else is a liar or ignorant.

On the other side of the isle, Republican William Weld is telling the truth about gun laws. Everyone else is trying to fool us. Again.

Sorry for the long post. School education takes a long time. I hope you read every word.
92% of the public is good with background checks, after 2020 McConnell will be out of congress and the crazy will stop. Congress will intelligently listen to the will of the majority of Americans, unlike at the present, the NRA is leading 300,000,000 people by an invisible nose ring.

The red flag idea is a red flag, a distraction, mentally imbalanced people are the victims, not the "aggressive Racist's", every human at some point in their life is going to go through a period of being mentally unbalanced, it's a chemical imbalance due to various temporary circumstances, a death, a Racist, Rapist President...yes, Trump is causing many people to be mentally unbalanced, just read the paper, some nut job just shot up a Texas Town trying to kill brown people.



So, background checks, yes.


Removal of assault weapons, yes.


Removal of ammunition clips holding more than 10, yes.

Nobody's stopping anybody from purchasing legal hunting supplies, after going through a background check, and the sooner guns are made finger print active the better.

Raise the price of bullets and make it a tax, not profit, take that tax and make the lives of the victims that survived shootings and their families better.
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Guns were meant to be in the hands of the public according to the constitution. So, hands off.
There are more important things than gun control if anyone is talking about lives to be saved, expecially in pure numbers.

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So here's a Racist that want's to equate gun violence, people with the will to kill other innocent people violently with abortion.

How many abortions have you caused?
How many abortions has Trump caused?
How many abortions has the Raping Catholic Clergy cause? (not the gay ones)

Na, apples and oranges, guns are an atrocious weapon of mass destruction.

Medical operations for the safety of the patient are a life saving miracle.

If the mother is going to die, the baby can be saved, if the baby is going to die the mother can be saved, it the mother was raped by a Racist, the baby must be removed, Racist's are an atrocious weapon of mass destruction, if the mother was raped by anyone she has the right to have the baby removed, if the mother has a medical reason for her safety or the safety of the baby, she has the right to have the baby removed.

Turns out, the 1%'er's have learned that the bacteria in a newborn child's stomach can rejuvenate the stomach of an elder human, it's rather a miracle, but the market for newborn stomach bacteria is a black market kazillion dollar business, naturally, the 1%er's want to end all abortion, every infant stomach is a gold mine.
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92% of the public is good with background checks...
False. No one asked me or any of my 20 gun-toting democrat or republican friends who do not want their privacy invaded by any government. Just a lie by whoever says this. As I explained above, most of the mass shooting perpetrators could have passed a background check. It sounds good, it is currently unconstitutional. And would not catch hardly anyone before they act on their impulses.

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...NRA is leading 300,000,000 people by an invisible nose ring.
I am not an NRA member and do not like the dooshbags who run it. I do understand US Civics and the US Constitution.

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...Trump is causing many people to be mentally unbalanced...
Agreed

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So, background checks, yes.


Removal of assault weapons, yes.


Removal of ammunition clips holding more than 10, yes.
No. No. and NO. Every firearm is capable of killing large numbers of people. A STANDARD full sized 9mm handgun magazine holds 15-17 rounds of ammo. Carry two of them and the shooter would have up to 34 bullets that he/she could fire as fast as they can pull the trigger on TWO guns at once. Far better in close quarters indoors than any "assault" rifle. Add two extra magazines for each pistol and the shooter still has fast reload capability and a whopping 100 rounds. So in a perfect world where all "assault" rifles just vanish, guess what? The killing will not stop because nearly ALL GUNS WORK THE SAME. Most aren't fashionable, yet.

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Nobody's stopping anybody from purchasing legal hunting supplies...
They will eventually if they get their way because most hunting rifles/pistols work EXACTLY the same way as "assault rifles". Assault rifles sold to civilians are just a STYLE of gun. I also explained this above, not doing it again.


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Raise the price of bullets and make it a tax, not profit, take that tax and make the lives of the victims that survived shootings and their families better.
Maybe raise the tax on cigarettes again first. Unless killing people purposely by any means does not bother you.

There are 5-10 million "AR-15" style guns in circulation in the USA currently (Google search). A tiny handful of people are misusing them. Why should millions of law abiding US citizens be punished for a very few bad apples? Where is the justice in that? A statistical ZERO number of assault weapons get used in killings. I know this is not a consolation the families of the victims but it does not give anyone the right to snatch ALL the guns from all the people. In my opinion.

We have a conservative Supreme Court. Any law that defies the 2nd Amendment will not get past them. So any liberal or conservative or socialist or independent who gets your vote based on something they CAN NOT DO is ignorant of the law, or lying to your face.

"A well regulated Militia" (army of the people/private citizens) needs military weapons to defend themselves, their country, and the Constitution. "SHALL NOT be infringed" is pretty clear.

So....start talking about repealing the 2nd Amendment. Or shut up. Anything else is just bu11$h!t. Even Obama knew this. He shut up about guns and got elected TWICE. It is political suicide to even THINK about repealing the 2nd Amendment. Also talking about recalling a very popular STYLE of firearm, that works like almost all the others, is handing the election to Trump again. Get rid of that guy, then talk about guns for while. First things first. We can't afford to blow it again.
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