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Old May 16th, 2018, 02:53 PM   #1
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Default Underpush - keeping the foot parallel

I have been wondering about this for a long time, and can't figure it out.
When I watch DP videos the pros manage to make the underpush long and parallel (i.e. in the direction of movement), which results in a relatively low cadence despite the speeds attained of 40+ kph. Now, when I work on my technique I am focusing on getting the proper lean on my underpush and on keeping the skates parallel to avoid too deep an arch and too much zig-zaking as a result. Yet I have big problems getting the latter right. I have experimented with my frame position, but still it does not cut it. It feels like I am anatomically not able to do the underpush and avoid too deep an arch/keep the skates parallel towards the direction I am travelling in.
Don't get me wrong, it's not dramatic and I don't skate lake a drunken sailor, yet it bugs me a lot.
How to work on it? How to improve?
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Old May 17th, 2018, 08:56 AM   #2
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Feels like I am performing a monologue, but I am still gonna dare it.

I've been wondering and reading about this question and on this forum I have come across a potentially important tip: frame length. Actually, I've been wondering about the technical/gear implications on the angle at which I place my skates. Can it thus be that:
1) The longer the frame is the slower it will navigate/ carve --> maybe my current frame at 12,8" is not necessarily best for me and a longer one could help me address the problem?
2) the wheel profile / use. At higher speeds I feel often that the underpush leg skates from under me far too rapidly. It may just be the sensation and I certainly need to get someone to film me, but may this be a factor here?

3) the closed/open position of the frame (closed = aft part more to the outside, open = aft part more to the inside; it's relative to the front of the frame) with a closed position of the frame supporting a more parallel glide on the underpush? However, here is a problem, as I have recently moved the aft part of the frame inwards by extra 2mm and feel like it's what I needed and what prevents my left leg/ankle from bending in on the push (while extended outwards), so going for a closed position would bring me back to the starting point.
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I've been watching this thread, hoping that one of the super competent skaters would provide their insights. I could blabber a bit about your question but I wouldn't consider myself a suitable resource.

Come on, guys! Help us out here!
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Or... I could teach "Its all about CENTRIPETAL ACCELERATION"
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Not going to comment on the arc vs parallel skate, but I have been trying to improve speed with little change to cadence and two things I have found that help:

1) Make sure that your underpush is actually a push and the foot isn't just going through the motion.

2) The front of the recovering knee lines up with the back of the pushing knee and you squeeze. This provides the push for #1 above.
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