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Why would anyone using a roll-line plate switch to an anchor, Snyder Imperials. Anyway, looking for Kinetrics plates, and I find Kinetrics...Mt guide boots, 500$, nothing about Kinetrics plates, vaporware? I sold my Matrix Plates, great platform, to bad they wern't a thirty degree plate, just to slow to turn, as I skate purely for flexion, I rex, loosening all joints, I like to torque the ankles and knees and hips, and the Matrix made me ride up on the sides of the wheels, not much different than the 10 degree plates, if roll-line only made a 30 degree plate... BTW, why would anyone wear a skate boot that went above the the top of the foot and below the ankle, you lose all articulation, why not put on an inline boot and skate inlines, much closer to ice skating ![]() Was that passive aggressive enough? |
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![]() Edit: I think it would be nice for the manufacturers to publish an agreed on reference table. The table would state wheelbase(axle centers), deck height and turn radius @ every 2 to 5 degrees of plate lean angle. A person could actually see where a plate that they used before would compare to a plate that they are looking to buy with a reasonable amount of information to help guide them. If a person saw on the table that a plate turned x amount that they had(and the skater liked it) but they need a little more length, their old plate could be compared to any new plate to get close to the range they are seeking.
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"Liberal Logic", a phrase in conflict with itself.... dims = it's OK to kill babies.. real logic there.. Last edited by fierocious1; February 1st, 2018 at 02:13 AM. |
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David
Join Date: Oct 2017
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It is a VERY popular choice for dance, Rhythm skaters, Artistic & more. They are on the expensive side, so it is usually the serious skate lovers who have them or those that can afford them. The thing you might not have known is almost everyone wears them like the inclosed picture unless they are using them for figure, jumping (laced up"). Many find it works just like a mid-top and it's very comfortable (once broken in!) and very versatile. The 297 is a little different feel from the mid-tops. It's not restricting laced as in picture, but still tight fitting on your foot. They also have a very good lifespan as boots go. "Was that passive aggressive enough?" You did real good ursle, I'm proud of you! ![]()
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Riedell 336 Boot , Roll-Line Energy plate, Roll-Line Panther wheels -95A, Me: 165 lb, 6'2" Last edited by netplaceus; February 4th, 2018 at 07:55 AM. Reason: mis spell |
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David
Join Date: Oct 2017
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Yes! Great observations, great post! The plate manufacturers game drives me nuts, it is so outrageously dishonest. It is all about branding, if they made such a reference table it would change the whole game. They would lose money because people could compare based on facts. So people buy plates based on a emotional advertising with little real information, just some silly name they give the plate and word of mouth. SO why does David skate with the Mistral? See, they make me use the stupid branded name like it has some mysterious power ![]() I chose it because because it was kind of neutral. I like to do a lot of different things on my skates. If you can believe Roll-line (who knows!), it is best for: Freestyle, Figure & Dance , but good for Jam, Rhythm, Speed, Derby & Hockey. I even took my skates to an open public night at a Derby rink, that was a really fun experience. Sorry fierocious1, I know you did not ask all these questions, but it was late and it saved me time, the others will see it. PS, the "unusual" RL Panther wheels I have? They are fun sometimes. Most grip AND killer easy role I have ever experienced. Too much grip actually, I went back to the Rollerbones Art Elite 57mm 101A. T- Stops on Panthers feel weird too, almost noiseless! I don't like it. Almost 2AM, I got to stop doing this!
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Riedell 336 Boot , Roll-Line Energy plate, Roll-Line Panther wheels -95A, Me: 165 lb, 6'2" Last edited by netplaceus; February 1st, 2018 at 03:42 PM. |
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my son use to be a world class singles skater and had an rolline energy 185 on an 11 riedell 297 and then a little custom 330 or something like that I think and its fine. if u find the plate a bit small u can always put it a bit forward on the heel as getting it under the ball of the foot is more important. I mounted plenty of riedell boots back in the day
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David
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Thank you all, but if you have not figured it out by now? I am hardly the type to get pushed into anything. But thanks for your concerns. Also larryoracing makes a very good point above. While many of you are VERY experienced, you can't have experience in everything and there is no shame in that. If you have not used the equipment, you will find it hard to understand how it FEELS just from numbers and looking at it. To me nothing is perfect, just pros and cons. By the way, the special "medium grip" freestyle wheel above; Called Panthers. They actually skate more like like 101's because 90% of the wheel is rock hard except the tred. So little deformation makes them feel harder and roll really easy. I still use them from time to time but prefer bones 101's.
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It is of little help to the vast majority of skaters, and it not necessarily indicative of a particular plate's personality. I can show you plates that violate all of the "rules".
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Find some roller derby girls. Don't try to romance them! That don't end well. okie 10/12/2011 Royals FTW! When only the shiny will do... Doc Sk8 05/19/2012 |
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Find some roller derby girls. Don't try to romance them! That don't end well. okie 10/12/2011 Royals FTW! When only the shiny will do... Doc Sk8 05/19/2012 |
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Yes, I was pretty sure once you saw the picture you would understand, so much gets lost in text sometimes.
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I don't like it, the whole point is to keep you in the dark from comparing it to others on the market. Most skate plates are just not that complicated.
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DVW,
I think you misunderstood my comment and if you understood it, I don't think you would like my reasoning. You can mount a Roll Line Plate to a Riedell boot. But the physical size of some boots makes it easier to mount a shorter plate. The Berry boot is the shortest boot for a particular size. It lends itself to putting on the shortest plate. By contrast the Riedell boot is the longest boot for any particular size and it lends itself to mounting a longer plate to it. Getting back to David's question. I don't really think anybody has answered it. Why to the Riedell charts always say to mount a longer plate to it than standard? Have you ever seen a boot that has been mounted up to a Reidell chart? The plate goes from for the back of the boot to the very tip of the boot. This is really non standard, but I think most rink skates are mounted that way. Ursle had a question and really didn't like the tone of my answer. His response had something to do with inline boots being used instead of Artistic boots. In General there are many old school skaters who skate on really stiff boots. Boots generally thought of ice boots. So actually many old school skaters would agree but most skaters prefer a softer boot, like the standard 297. Also David had a point about his wheels. They are smaller in Diameter. Most artistic Dance competition skaters run a taller wheel 62/63 mm. A smaller wheel is considered a freestyle wheel. In fact, I think David's setup is more of a Freestyle skate setup. I run Freestyle wheel for Freestyle but the grip of my wheels are 99A. They make a 97A, then comes the 95A, which I consider medium grip. Sincerely, Larry Otani ![]() P.S. Ursle pointed out that he didn't like the Synder Imperial. Half the people on this internet skate on they Synder Royal, which is a lightened Synder Imperial . If you ever skated on a Synder Imperial Imperial/Royal, Roll Line Dance or a Roll Line Ring, you would note the similarities and consider someone wanting more action in their skates to try on a pair of used Synder Imperials at a very cheap price before spendings thousannds on the Dance or Ring. Last edited by larryoracing; February 1st, 2018 at 07:28 PM. |
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you should stop posting. Your account can be taken away.
Synder Imperials have a very nice action. If you're not sure if you really want a Dance Plate, you might try the Imperial/Used at a very cheap price. If you really like the Imperial you are probably going to like the Dance Plate. Little things can make a big difference in plate length selection. Rick points out using a 185 on size 11 boot. But going to a 180 might be just enough to not make the experience enjoyable. Sorry my posts ![]() Sorry, Larry O |
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I'm not askng you for advice, I'm trying to get you to stop giving it, why, how do you possibly think I need a dance plate, or an Imperial, I just informed you I have a Royal, titanium. Another nonsensical tangent... What neuron synapse failure would lead you to the conclusion that I want a dance plate? And from what dimension do you grasp at my needing a 185 plate for a size 11 boot? So let's sum up, I skate an Obermeyer 351 size 9.5 boot, my plates are ancient, (as is the boot) Sure Grip white magnesium which were converted from S/A45's to D/A45's, and the conversion is titanium, which I enjoy, outdoors only, with Roll-line Helium wheels, 64mm, 82a. I started ice skating at the age of 3, hockey, stopped when I was 15, that was in '68, have never skated in a roller skate rink, have always skated outdoors, prefer to skate backwards in a figure 8, 8 wheels down, rexxing. I skate just like I was on ice, and I skate for flexion, and I skate alone, rather the opposite of your situation I garner ![]() As you obviously are incapable of following any topic, and obviously, not intentionally, I have no interest in a conversation with you, I'm sure you're a wealth of interesting information but let's stick to reality, and in your case, unasked for advice is unwanted advice, so, enjoy yourself, flippeadoda. |
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David
Join Date: Oct 2017
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Yes, that's all I really wanted to know or even asked. All this talk of what plate is best for David, analysis of my current skate setup and better plate, boot suggestions are unrelated. But I don't mind the questions if your really interested why I like something. There are MANY other boots that will work, some plates similar to the RL Dance , I already know that. That information is readily available. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy and value other opinions! A lot of skaters love to debate plates, I admit, I do a little. But for the most part my eyes glaze over these days. If you have been around for a while you may know what I mean or... maybe still love it! "The plate goes from for the back of the boot to the very tip of the boot. This is really non standard, but I think most rink skates are mounted that way." No, it's called a "standard mount" (back of the boot) in the business. A pro shop will always give you a standard mount unless you ask otherwise (or should!). Most stock skates, allot of what pro shops sell, are all standard mounts. I mean what else can they do, they don't know who the skates will be going on, they have to be standard mounts. I might do a standard mount or not, depends on how things line up. Most of us understand how changes to the mount affect our experience, most people buying stock skates don't, and most of them are stock skates. Here are the directions that came with my Roll-Line plate for any boot. Standard mount: " I don't think you would like my reasoning. You can mount a Roll Line Plate to a Riedell boot." I knew that even before posting; simple musuments. That was not the question. If you kept up, the best answer came from roll-line email, but even that did not explain the why. Anyway, I am cool, I consider the question answered and good enough. Thanks. Moving on! Moving on! Moving on! Moving on! Moving on! Moving on! Moving on! Copy that? ![]() ![]()
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If you saw a standard mount for a Riedell boot the plate would actually go to the tip of the boot. From your diagram the plate stops short of the tip of the boot. So really this is a non-standard mount for a Riedell boot and more of a artistic mount common to most of the advanced skaters on this website.
I wonder if the 190 plate what was recommended for your size 11 boots? Thanks, Larry Otani ![]() Have a great day! |
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..., therefore, I skate.
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Thank you for posting this chart. I'll be checking my Mistrals, as I'm considering remounting them just a bit forward of the current position.
If I do, I'm thinking I'll need to fill in the old hole with something like steel putty, or JB Weld. BTW, at the bottom of the chart I'm instructed to tighten the screws with a hammer, LOL. Pretty sure I understand I'm supposed to use a hammer to flatten the ends, but I just sounds funny.
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