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Old April 16th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #1
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The us military led by the govt have enslaved and completely ruined the homeland of the bikinians and marshal islanders.
Watching the Documentary "the coming war on china" as im writing this.
Wow how they get away with it i will never understand.
now the bikinans live on an adjioning island which is a sh!t tip and are ferried across daily to serve the needs of american occupiers.
Thier homeland used to be a paradise with abudant food stocks and the people were healthy until they were used as human guinea pigs.And a govt offical interviewed blatantly lies to the interviewer like nothing bad happened{what a fu"ún poor excuse for a piece of sh1t human being}
There is no justice.
And people around the world say why does china want to get even "what did we ever do to them"what a joke .Look at how china has been treated by the west and england /europe in the past and any wonder they want to get even.opium trade built the first big industry in the states.
Funny how the right wingers see no harm done. How depressing.
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The us military led by the govt have enslaved and completely ruined the homeland of the bikinians and marshal islanders.
Watching the Documentary "the coming war on china" as im writing this.
Wow how they get away with it i will never understand.
now the bikinans live on an adjioning island which is a sh!t tip and are ferried across daily to serve the needs of american occupiers.
Thier homeland used to be a paradise with abudant food stocks and the people were healthy until they were used as human guinea pigs.And a govt offical interviewed blatantly lies to the interviewer like nothing bad happened{what a fu"ún poor excuse for a piece of sh1t human being}
There is no justice.
And people around the world say why does china want to get even "what did we ever do to them"what a joke .Look at how china has been treated by the west and england /europe in the past and any wonder they want to get even.opium trade built the first big industry in the states.
Funny how the right wingers see no harm done. How depressing.
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I watched a movie a while back. Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis. In the movie, it was stated by a (IIRC) Ranger that a certain amount of corruption is to be tolerated. I failed to see that as being a right. Taking over an island like that should not have happened. Removing people that have been living there for centuries is just wrong. However, the Japanese may have invaded and killed them all just because they were there too. We will never know. The islands that were used for testing are forever contaminated. Last time I checked the radiation levels were tolerable for be present there but the grounds were still contaminated and would be for many generations. So plant life and animals would be contaminated if consumed by people. Paradise contaminated by man, but not forever.
Sometimes living on an island has an appeal, just not that island.. But you better bring a lot of stuff if you move to an island. If you don't bring it, it isn't there.
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Yeah, and those darned Romans invaded England and then later the Vikings did.... We should never forget what happened in the distant past. But assigning guilt to a culture, nation, or race today, based on what happened in the distant past is a fool's errand. And bringing up one fact without a good understanding of the context in time is also foolish.

Why don't we discuss something in the present? Like what to do about N. Korea? Should someone do a pre-preemptive strike to eliminate their threat of nuclear attack? Or just wait and let one city be nuked, so that the flames of vengeance can make it "justified?" Are we proactive, or reactive?
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Yeah, and those darned Romans invaded England and then later the Vikings did.... We should never forget what happened in the distant past. But assigning guilt to a culture, nation, or race today, based on what happened in the distant past is a fool's errand. And bringing up one fact without a good understanding of the context in time is also foolish.

Why don't we discuss something in the present? Like what to do about N. Korea? Should someone do a pre-preemptive strike to eliminate their threat of nuclear attack? Or just wait and let one city be nuked, so that the flames of vengeance can make it "justified?" Are we proactive, or reactive?
I would say that nk should be heavily monitored and if they send something out of the country.... send them something back.
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Yeah, and those darned Romans invaded England and then later the Vikings did.... We should never forget what happened in the distant past. But assigning guilt to a culture, nation, or race today, based on what happened in the distant past is a fool's errand. And bringing up one fact without a good understanding of the context in time is also foolish.

Why don't we discuss something in the present? Like what to do about N. Korea? Should someone do a pre-preemptive strike to eliminate their threat of nuclear attack? Or just wait and let one city be nuked, so that the flames of vengeance can make it "justified?" Are we proactive, or reactive?
I think the world of non military or political people should all stand up and say F24k this **** were sick of slaving our guts out so they can spend all the taxpayd dollars on weapons to use on innocent people.And mostly innocent people have been nuked in the past "fact"
If anything we should have learnt from the cruelty by now.Save making the same mistakes over and over ,War is just a game for those that send others to do thier fighting.If japans ecomomy wasnt stuffed around with in the first place by westerners they probably would not have tried to invade anywhere at all.
And who was china going to attack when america and brittain occupied there country?
What they built a wall {the chinese} to keep the mongols out instead of developing weapons and conscripting every available person.Sounds suspiciously like chinese didnt want to fight and wanted to be left alone.
Or was it occupied on the mindset that the emperors guard of the day are having a whale of a time assulting thier own countymen and the usa /brittish military wanted to show them how its really done?
Wasnt it said that japan had already signed off when the us air force tested the A bomb at hiroshima?a bomb funded by greddy assholes that still run the world today that could have spent that money on feeding the starving japs before ww2? Dont trust em . They dont care about you or I ,just thier own kind .Youll see when the carnage starts and we are all left out in the cold. But the govts may have the compasion to send troops to put us out of our misery. But only because it will benefit them.
Gotta love the way pence is parading around like hes on the front line .Yes i have a grudge against them all, because my eyes are open.
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I would say that nk should be heavily monitored and if they send something out of the country.... send them something back.
I think that korean gvt king whatever wants to show power so that the westerners dont come waltzing in and take control of Nkorea.
They want to be left alone much more than they to bomb anyone.
Why do i think this ?
The answer is simple they have had enough weapons to wage a full on war on south korea and hav'nt done it yet.
If kimjong ule wanted to kill ship loads of civy's from another country he would have done it by now.
Why do you think Kimjung is puttin word out that his militay has ICBM's when he clearly has avery worried look on his face lately?
And nobody else thinks he has ICBM's either.
Bit like the saddam hassein story with weapons of mass destruction.
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I think the world of non military or political people should all stand up and say F24k this **** were sick of slaving our guts out so they can spend all the taxpayd dollars on weapons to use on innocent people.And mostly innocent people have been nuked in the past "fact"
If anything we should have learnt from the cruelty by now.Save making the same mistakes over and over ,War is just a game for those that send others to do thier fighting.If japans ecomomy wasnt stuffed around with in the first place by westerners they probably would not have tried to invade anywhere at all.
And who was china going to attack when america and brittain occupied there country?
What they built a wall {the chinese} to keep the mongols out instead of developing weapons and conscripting every available person.Sounds suspiciously like chinese didnt want to fight and wanted to be left alone.
Or was it occupied on the mindset that the emperors guard of the day are having a whale of a time assulting thier own countymen and the usa /brittish military wanted to show them how its really done?
Wasnt it said that japan had already signed off when the us air force tested the A bomb at hiroshima?a bomb funded by greddy assholes that still run the world today that could have spent that money on feeding the starving japs before ww2? Dont trust em . They dont care about you or I ,just thier own kind .Youll see when the carnage starts and we are all left out in the cold. But the govts may have the compasion to send troops to put us out of our misery. But only because it will benefit them.
Gotta love the way pence is parading around like hes on the front line .Yes i have a grudge against them all, because my eyes are open.
The biggest problem with all this is that there has to be a balance of power. Yes, laws could be passed that no weapons of mass destruction could be owned by any country but there would always be people like in NK that will violate the agreements. Truthfully the only people crazy enough to kill everyone on the planet is the Muzzies. They kill just to kill and if they have the power it will be used whether anyone survives or not. I believe NK has a crazy leader but he don't want to be wiped out himself. He just doesn't realize that he is only a very small fish in the sea. Russia and the US and several other countries are so far ahead of NK in weapons technology, he is only just getting started. Most other countries rocket/missile tech is nearly perfected. NO ONE wants a nuclear war. It takes a lot of time to burn off the radiation and that is an issue itself. Anything not protected, dies(except roaches). A contaminated country is not a good thing. Depending on what type of radiation is used in a bomb the burn off time could be hundreds of years. Dirty bombs are bad because of the time it takes to burn off the radiation, not as desructive though. Usually dirty bombs material comes from reactors.
So basically you have people that are sane with power vs those that are insane with power. The more power a country has, the more they have to contain their corruption to prevent really big and bad things from happening that affects the rest of the world.
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The biggest problem with all this is that there has to be a balance of power. Yes, laws could be passed that no weapons of mass destruction could be owned by any country but there would always be people like in NK that will violate the agreements. Truthfully the only people crazy enough to kill everyone on the planet is the Muzzies. They kill just to kill and if they have the power it will be used whether anyone survives or not. I believe NK has a crazy leader but he don't want to be wiped out himself. He just doesn't realize that he is only a very small fish in the sea. Russia and the US and several other countries are so far ahead of NK in weapons technology, he is only just getting started. Most other countries rocket/missile tech is nearly perfected. NO ONE wants a nuclear war. It takes a lot of time to burn off the radiation and that is an issue itself. Anything not protected, dies(except roaches). A contaminated country is not a good thing. Depending on what type of radiation is used in a bomb the burn off time could be hundreds of years. Dirty bombs are bad because of the time it takes to burn off the radiation, not as desructive though. Usually dirty bombs material comes from reactors.
So basically you have people that are sane with power vs those that are insane with power. The more power a country has, the more they have to contain their corruption to prevent really big and bad things from happening that affects the rest of the world.
But if trump lets the military take the free reign and they fire on NK who nows which countrys will join Nk's side, it could end up huge.
Makes sense to be a sleeper and leave syria , afghanistan and nk to their own devices,Unless there is something in the ground the us govt dont want these countrys mining for themselves.
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But if trump lets the military take the free reign and they fire on NK who nows which countrys will join Nk's side, it could end up huge.
Makes sense to be a sleeper and leave syria , afghanistan and nk to their own devices,Unless there is something in the ground the us govt dont want these countrys mining for themselves.
NK acts like a belligerent child with a new toy. It may be an act and it may not be. But if he gets reckless enough someone has to put him in his place.... or everyone has to bow down to the child. I don't see that happening. There are consequences for your actions at this level.
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NK acts like a belligerent child with a new toy. It may be an act and it may not be. But if he gets reckless enough someone has to put him in his place.... or everyone has to bow down to the child. I don't see that happening. There are consequences for your actions at this level.
Like ive said many times before.
plenty of other countrys have had to bow down to the US and brittain in the past.
I dont see much change from this with threats and moab being dropped on who knows who .yeah we get the news but is it the real news?i think the us dropped the moab as a threat to NK as well as a deterent to terrorists.
Just thinking we could really regret letting the us government lead us a stray like this .They dont have a good track record.
And you guys should really watch that vid war on china.
As if injecting bikini islanders teen age kids with radioctive particles detered japan from conquering the world .Not only were they bombed and radiated they were experimented on.Check the dates as they were testing at marshall islands after hiroshima.August the 6th 1945 hiroshima.
1946 -1958 bikini islands 23 nuclear devices were detonated.
War was over in spt 2nd 1945.How can az shot support the us military actions and justify the murder of inoccent islanders?
Trust me all govts but3 are assholes that suck the toes of the federal reserve.
We are all under control without a doubt .Hold onto ya weapons cos its coming.
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NK acts like a belligerent child with a new toy. It may be an act and it may not be. But if he gets reckless enough someone has to put him in his place.... or everyone has to bow down to the child. I don't see that happening. There are consequences for your actions at this level.
The War never ended for them. Actually, it never ended for anybody. Technically, we are still at war with NK. NK is a cold poor nation. All they have to keep them warm at night is hate. NK and SK went their separate ways. SK did well, NK sucks. The only hope NK has is to someday take over SK. So yeah, they act like *ssholes. I think it is the height of stupidity to believe that this has any hope of simply going away quietly. NK HAS to attack at some point. Question is when. Just a matter of time. So yeah, the notion of smacking them down before they go off is a good one.
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The War never ended for them. Actually, it never ended for anybody. Technically, we are still at war with NK. NK is a cold poor nation. All they have to keep them warm at night is hate. NK and SK went their separate ways. SK did well, NK sucks. The only hope NK has is to someday take over SK. So yeah, they act like *ssholes. I think it is the height of stupidity to believe that this has any hope of simply going away quietly. NK HAS to attack at some point. Question is when. Just a matter of time. So yeah, the notion of smacking them down before they go off is a good one.
When they become desperate enough from population growth and lack of basics. A while back a traveler told me it is something to see that north of the border at night it is dark, while in the south, cities have plenty of light. Communism styled government just drags everyone down. Lately seeing a lot about Venezuela and other south American countries that are failing because of socialism.
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NK acts like a belligerent child with a new toy. It may be an act and it may not be. But if he gets reckless enough someone has to put him in his place.... or everyone has to bow down to the child. I don't see that happening. There are consequences for your actions at this level.
NK plays its new toy only because US (mightiest country in the world) acts like a "belligerent child" (с) and threatens the existence of DRPK. It is matter of life of death for their state.

Any state which depelop nuclear armamants and have bad relations with the US will NEVER cease because they need effective weapon for DEFENCE against US and its pet countries ( I mean ROK). Jugoslavia, Iraq, Libiya are destroyed, Syria is fighting, Vietnam won the war with US paying bill of 14% population dead. Iran dropped its nuclear weapon program only after relationship with the US normalized.
Now imagine you are a leader of a tiny country...

If today Washington DC will order ROK to set course to de-escalation, friendship and reunion of two Koreas, tomorrow DRPK will drop its nuclear program.

But Washington don't need/want to
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NK plays its new toy only because US (mightiest country in the world) acts like a "belligerent child" (с) and threatens the existence of DRPK. It is matter of life of death for their state.

Any state which depelop nuclear armamants and have bad relations with the US will NEVER cease because they need effective weapon for DEFENCE against US and its pet countries ( I mean ROK). Jugoslavia, Iraq, Libiya are destroyed, Syria is fighting, Vietnam won the war with US paying bill of 14% population dead. Iran dropped its nuclear weapon program only after relationship with the US normalized.
Now imagine you are a leader of a tiny country...

If today Washington DC will order ROK to set course to de-escalation, friendship and reunion of two Koreas, tomorrow DRPK will drop its nuclear program.

But Washington don't need/want to
In a sense, you are right. It is life and death for NK. NK is a failed state. They lost the war, but did not lose it badly enough to simply realize they should have surrendered. Too bad the US did not drop a Nuke on them then, then Korea would be one nation now. We don't threaten them. They are simply unable to survive without outside help. All NK has done for all of its' existence is threaten violence to get food. They are like a homeless beggar with a bad attitude. NK now has the ability to force the US to destroy them. Looks like that is what will happen. And it will be their fault. Just surrender, and Korea will become whole. The south will send low paying jobs up north in a heartbeat. And the north will be happy to have it. NK is a failure in every way. Just surrender. But no. I think they will choose death.
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When they become desperate enough from population growth and lack of basics. A while back a traveler told me it is something to see that north of the border at night it is dark, while in the south, cities have plenty of light. Communism styled government just drags everyone down. Lately seeing a lot about Venezuela and other south American countries that are failing because of socialism.
No doubt its not workin out too well for kim jung or his people .
But does the us govt really need to stir up more trouble for the countrys?
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No doubt its not workin out too well for kim jung or his people .
But does the us govt really need to stir up more trouble for the countrys?
Well if someone threatens to unleash nukes, I would say you would have to defend yourself. If NK fires one off, we, I think will remove the threat. I see no reason to hit them first, we have the technology to kill their nukes in the air, probably very soon after flight has started. NK has to realize that it has neighbors and they are not looking forward to a war, nukes or fighting either. So why be such a bully in the region? SK seems to be getting along with all it's neighbors. Other nearby countries as well have no real big fight with the US, so why does NK have to kick up the dust and threaten everyone in the area with war when you are a little country in the area? YOu know it will spill over other borders, it always does. NK just want total control over its people until complete failure. But that control over people ends at the border, NK does not have the control over it's surrounding countries and can't make them do as they wish.
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Well if someone threatens to unleash nukes, I would say you would have to defend yourself. If NK fires one off, we, I think will remove the threat. I see no reason to hit them first, we have the technology to kill their nukes in the air, probably very soon after flight has started. NK has to realize that it has neighbors and they are not looking forward to a war, nukes or fighting either. So why be such a bully in the region? SK seems to be getting along with all it's neighbors. Other nearby countries as well have no real big fight with the US, so why does NK have to kick up the dust and threaten everyone in the area with war when you are a little country in the area? YOu know it will spill over other borders, it always does. NK just want total control over its people until complete failure. But that control over people ends at the border, NK does not have the control over it's surrounding countries and can't make them do as they wish.
Like you say the us military can stop NK nukes in the air and Nk cant reach the states so that eliminates a real threat to the us military.
So since Nk fails to control surrounding countrys ,why does the us want control over NK?
My guess is to show the world every country needs a federal reserve to enslave the people not a dictator to enslave them.personally i wish there were more coutrys ditching the federal reserve idea and sticking up for their rights as independant from the us economy control.
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Like you say the us military can stop NK nukes in the air and Nk cant reach the states so that eliminates a real threat to the us military.
So since Nk fails to control surrounding countrys ,why does the us want control over NK?
My guess is to show the world every country needs a federal reserve to enslave the people not a dictator to enslave them.personally i wish there were more coutrys ditching the federal reserve idea and sticking up for their rights as independant from the us economy control.
I don't know why, but if I had friends that I did business with(maybe there is monetary interest there) countries that were feeling threatened, I could stand to lose business and profits there. Most countries have ongoing trade. I buy stuff from Europe, Mexico and other places. The business owners doing the wholesaling, transportation and record keeping don't just live in the US. The rule is supply and demand as usual. If the country has nothing to sell, there is nothing to buy.
Dictators like to over take countries to reap the profits that they normally don't have(nothing to sell). So they steal if from some other country. Many have done it in the name of religion. Some just like the power(Castro).
I'm not saying the US is not greedy, we all know it is. One person in control has nothing to limit their greed. Unlimited power can mess with your head. I know everyone in here has seen at one time or another what happens to a person that finally gets a bit more power in job position and then begins to change and take advantage. It happens. However on a larger scale, bad things can happen. It's almost like putting a 12/16 year old kid in the driver seat of a Farrari, it isn't going to end well.
Being a living god in NK has it's benefits at the cost of the people under his rule. He can tell them what he want done or they can perish where they stand.
I have friends that escaped capture from Vietnam. Same situation. They threw this guy in jail to try to take his money. He outlasted them and gave up nothing but his time. He lost 3 weeks of work in the US because he was sitting in jail. When he does go home he arrives in worn out peasant clothes to try to fool the people there. He just wants to see his kin.
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It does make sense that dictators like to take over other countrys and reap the benefits, and also like you said the u s is just as guilty of doing this in the past . but theres a little difference in that kim jung isnt pretending he has democracy.Where as western countrys take control of smaller countrys enforce their rules and make out to the world that they are the good guys.one rule for them and a different rule for the poor .Castro didnt start out all that bad and wanted change for the better in the start,Just like govts in general .
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In a sense, you are right. It is life and death for NK. NK is a failed state. <...>
I disagree 2 points:

1) NK isn't a failed state. Propaganda states so but this is just "fake news" (c). Majority of info about DRPK comes from yellow ROK newspapers and has no connection with reality.

2) NK didn't lost the war. I remind you how Korean war went:

- War starts in the middle of peninsula, DRPK goes all the way down and (almost) drops ROK into the sea.
- US help arrives and US+ROK go all the way up to chinese border.
- Chinese help arrives and DRPK+Chinese "volunteers" move to the middle of peninsula, to the old border.
So, judging by result it is draw. Judging by army capabilities DRPK > ROK.
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