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Old July 1st, 2014, 05:14 PM   #1
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Default Matter G13 fake?

Hey guys,

i am new to this forum and to speed skating. Actually i skate on Bont Jet with Powerslide Vi Al frame and Matter G13 110mm F1 wheels.

I changed original Powerslide Infinity wheels for G13, but there is a problem - since i changed the wheels, my lap times are slower for 30 or more seconds in 3300m long circuit. I can't feel any positive change from my Infinity wheels and after only 10km the wheels are worn.

To the point - i have bought these wheels from chinesse e-shop, for just 150$. Here is the link: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/free-...344808552.html

So i'm thinking about possibility, that the wheels are fake. But does it worth for chinesse company to try to copy wheels like these? Or is it just me? What do you think?
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Old July 1st, 2014, 06:19 PM   #2
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They're likely fake. It's the same site that is selling fake Simmons boots and I saw the same skate on FB had fake G13's on it.

Fake Simmons:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Simmo...783268031.html
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Old July 1st, 2014, 06:38 PM   #3
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So should i throw them away and buy another wheels? I could buy a pack of good wheels for 150$ =(
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Old July 1st, 2014, 08:42 PM   #4
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So should i throw them away and buy another wheels? I could buy a pack of good wheels for 150$ =(
If you used a credit card you could try getting your money back by filing a complaint. Otherwise I guess you could still use them if they skate ok other than being slower.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 09:55 PM   #5
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Wow...

No offense, but searching through that site is amazing. There are some seriously sketchy items there.

I submit these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/One-P...897297476.html

Take a look at the milling around the mounting plate, for instance.

And these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-S...901416622.html

The frames are an obvious fake. Easy to spot: the wheel size markings are in the wrong spots. Not as easy to spot: the general geometry is different, thinner support structures, especially between the center wheels. I can imagine this frame folding under hard use or from supporting larger skaters.

I don't really even know what to say about these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pai...849073625.html

What is that center... thing? I don't even...

Anyway and the best one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-S...371354104.html

Just... yeah.

It's kind of fun to look through, though.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 11:43 PM   #6
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I think it is really amusing to see these counterfeit products. Usually the Chinese knock off products that sell in large enough quantities to make the effort worthwhile.
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 07:10 AM   #7
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I don't really even know what to say about these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pai...849073625.html

What is that center... thing? I don't even...
It is SOLVEIN frame. It is a Korean Brand. They were only brand besides Bont doing 3 point boots. I know it because I ordered them a set and they answered they didn't make 45 size boot. It seems is not common size in Korea...
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 11:18 AM   #8
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I like the 3pf bont frames that only have 2 points

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Austr...129414421.html
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 07:03 PM   #9
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They're likely fake. It's the same site that is selling fake Simmons boots and I saw the same skate on FB had fake G13's on it.

Fake Simmons:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Simmo...783268031.html
At $180 it might be interesting to see how bad they are. After all, they are still cheaper than just about any other Chinese made (Bont, Luigino, etc) boot.
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 07:52 PM   #10
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check out the "Matter Juice" on MPC turbo hubs!

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origi...772158026.html
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 08:51 PM   #11
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check out the "Matter Juice" on MPC turbo hubs!

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origi...772158026.html
Those Vaypors actually look kinda comfy around the ankle...
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 10:58 PM   #12
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At $180 it might be interesting to see how bad they are. After all, they are still cheaper than just about any other Chinese made (Bont, Luigino, etc) boot.
Look again, i think that's $180 per boot, not per left right pair!
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 11:05 PM   #13
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Default Does Luigino even make a 13.2" 3X125mm frame?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FIGHT...722275055.html
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Old July 3rd, 2014, 09:23 AM   #14
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Custom Bonts in 10 days..........2010 model
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Old July 3rd, 2014, 11:37 AM   #15
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$180 is for one pair boots.
You can even buy a pair of speed skate boots at $50 in China, or a speed skate package under $100.

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Old July 3rd, 2014, 11:32 AM   #16
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They are worse than you thought.
You can even buy a pair of speed skate boots at $50 in China.

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At $180 it might be interesting to see how bad they are. After all, they are still cheaper than just about any other Chinese made (Bont, Luigino, etc) boot.
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Old July 3rd, 2014, 04:06 PM   #17
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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...936803293.html

I found something that isn't a knock off.... Legitimate Am-Wings......... lololololol

Hey Pajero, cut one of your 'G13' Wheels in half and check out the 'flexband'.
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Old July 3rd, 2014, 04:21 PM   #18
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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...936803293.html

I found something that isn't a knock off.... Legitimate Am-Wings......... lololololol

Hey Pajero, cut one of your 'G13' Wheels in half and check out the 'flexband'.
I wonder if they even have flex bands?
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Default Problem with counterfeits....

I've perused alliexpress as well - it's joke. If you're shopping alliexpress, you're most likely buying counterfeit goods. The better question to ask of ones self "is saving a few bucks worth potential injury and/or loss?" If goods fail you're back to spending more $ to replace, and that's if you are lucky to have not been injured due to product failure.

Not only does the counterfeit market hurt legit industries, counterfeits can fail with use as they are not made to any safety standard (as set by legit manufactures/importers of skate goods). I personally know folks in the cycle industry who police this type of thing in bike industry, and like skating goods, there are tons of issues with counterfeit/knock-off bike frames, handle bars, and components failing, not too mention the safety concerns that arise from counterfeit helmets.


The counterfeit market hurts legit industry by flooding market with cheaply made knock-offs, that reduces sales of legit goods, and hence prices increase accordingly, as manufacturers don't particularly want to lose profits to counterfeiters. Some are working to shut down the flow of counterfeit goods made in their respective namesake, but there again, this effort costs industry lots in legal feels to chase after and shut down those offenders. So, one can easily see the ripple effect and damage on skate industry when folks chose to support sellers of counterfeit goods. And, one simply has to look at the result of impact on unsuspecting buyers to see it's not with the small savings. The skater who purchased knock-off matter g13's spent $150/set, finds they are not up to matter standard (of course they are not), they maybe saved $49 off msrp retail price($199/set 8 g13's 110mm), and is now dumping those fake wheels for a set of "legit" wheels... you do the math!
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I've perused alliexpress as well - it's joke. If you're shopping alliexpress, you're most likely buying counterfeit goods. The better question to ask of ones self "is saving a few bucks worth potential injury and/or loss?" If goods fail you're back to spending more $ to replace, and that's if you are lucky to have not been injured due to product failure.

Not only does the counterfeit market hurt legit industries, counterfeits can fail with use as they are not made to any safety standard (as set by legit manufactures/importers of skate goods). I personally know folks in the cycle industry who police this type of thing in bike industry, and like skating goods, there are tons of issues with counterfeit/knock-off bike frames, handle bars, and components failing, not too mention the safety concerns that arise from counterfeit helmets.


The counterfeit market hurts legit industry by flooding market with cheaply made knock-offs, that reduces sales of legit goods, and hence prices increase accordingly, as manufacturers don't particularly want to lose profits to counterfeiters. Some are working to shut down the flow of counterfeit goods made in their respective namesake, but there again, this effort costs industry lots in legal feels to chase after and shut down those offenders. So, one can easily see the ripple effect and damage on skate industry when folks chose to support sellers of counterfeit goods. And, one simply has to look at the result of impact on unsuspecting buyers to see it's not with the small savings. The skater who purchased knock-off matter g13's spent $150/set, finds they are not up to matter standard (of course they are not), they maybe saved $49 off msrp retail price($199/set 8 g13's 110mm), and is now dumping those fake wheels for a set of "legit" wheels... you do the math!
The problem I have is that some of the stuff is just as legit as stuff from the "real" companies. I say this because some of the stuff comes from the same factories in China that make the real thing, i.e. boots. A boot from one of the big US companies that costs $600 is exactly the same as a boot that you can get from China for $57.... which is what the US company pays for them. From various mistakes by products sent directly to me from China with the invoice still in the box, I have figured out how much many of these things cost. My above example is not an exaggeration. Ultimately, this will be the undoing of the skating industry as we know it now. It appears that at least a couple of companies have figured this out and their prices are drastically different from just a couple years ago. I don't mind paying more for something that is hand made in the US and comes with some reassurance that they will take care of any problems if they should arise. I refuse to pay full over inflated prices for stuff that is poorly made by slave labor.
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