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Old March 2nd, 2010, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default Best plate under $300...

Hi Doc (and anyone else who's willing to give their opinion).

I'm looking for a new plate and want to keep my spend at $300 or less. I'm a 220 lb guy. I shuffle around during sessions and do a little bit of speed skating.

As best I can tell here are the likely candidates:

Roll Line Variant M
Roll Line Raffaello M
Powertracs
Reactor
Ultimate III

or maybe a used set of:

Roll Line Driver
Roll Line Giotto
Labeda Proline

Any advice you (or anyone else) can give as to which of these plates would most likely work best for me would be appreciated. If it matters these will be going on a 395 boot. Thanks.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 02:49 PM   #2
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Snyder Royal would be another option.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:28 PM   #3
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Default +1 Royals and.....

+1 on the Royals! $333.oo
http://www.create-a-skate.com/snroplbco.html

A Used Galaxy 180mm $250,oo
http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=26111

Italiskate: 180mm or smaller only $175.oo
http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=20435

SuperWhiteMagnum with DA45 trucks with clips $199.oo
shhhhh! )

LaZer X-tech[India BOEN-repop's] Up to 175mm. $185.oo
http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=17627

just my $0.02 Cheers, THOM
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:40 PM   #4
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Post The exact pm the doc sent me

I removed the link but I thought I would copy and paste the PM I recieved.

No business links on Ask Doc Sk8.
1) It is not a general forum, it's mine.
2) I'm in the business and Paul (backstreet) does not the help competing with me... Especially on my turf.

Since you are so hung up on the old school Snyder.... I'll sell ya World Dominator for 220.00. It is a lot lighter than the Super Deluxe and has Ti king pins and axles, light trucks and Alloy cushion retainers... Monocoque chassis as well... A better all around sk8 than the Super D.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:56 PM   #5
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Default Interesting responses..

With no offense intended to anyone....

Go with the Snyder Royal (first choice) or the Roll Lines... (2nd Choice) The NTS plates are a boat load lighter than the stopper versions... Giotto being the best deal of all of them...

Just remember, the Roll Line action does NOT sk8 well with the as issued cushions... or recommended plate lengths...

The Super Deluxe Snyder is a heavy antique.. (Even one tuned to the SS level) The Advantage (and World Dominator) use the same action and are a lot lighter and easier to keep in adjustment... Or a SS Grand American...

No Super D version compares to a Roll Line.

The Pro Line and Reactor are light pretty and popular... but turning performance is not up with any of the above mentioned...

The UIII is in the same category as the 2 above unless we tweak the action... Then it gets into Super D range above the Reactor and the Pro Line......
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 09:54 PM   #6
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Hey Doc (and everyone else),

THanks for the responses. I've been skating on a 7" (axle 2 axle) plate ever since I got back into skating last year. I believe that 7" is equal to about 180mm...If I go to a 170mm Roll Line would I get the desired effect that you're talking about above?

Thanks.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:17 PM   #7
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Hey Doc (and everyone else),

THanks for the responses. I've been skating on a 7" (axle 2 axle) plate ever since I got back into skating last year. I believe that 7" is equal to about 180mm...If I go to a 170mm Roll Line would I get the desired effect that you're talking about above?

Thanks.
Shorter is better but if you are on a 13 170 may be a bit hairy...
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Default oh yeah, that would help...

Sorry Doc, thought I gave that in my initial post...I'm a size 11. A-Town sent me a chart for the Roll Line plates that really helps. Thanks guys!
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:07 PM   #9
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Sorry Doc, thought I gave that in my initial post...I'm a size 11. A-Town sent me a chart for the Roll Line plates that really helps. Thanks guys!
Get a Giotto...
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:12 PM   #10
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Hi Doc (and anyone else who's willing to give their opinion).

I'm looking for a new plate and want to keep my spend at $300 or less. I'm a 220 lb guy. I shuffle around during sessions and do a little bit of speed skating.

As best I can tell here are the likely candidates:

Roll Line Variant M
Roll Line Raffaello M
Powertracs
Reactor
Ultimate III

or maybe a used set of:

Roll Line Driver
Roll Line Giotto
Labeda Proline

Any advice you (or anyone else) can give as to which of these plates would most likely work best for me would be appreciated. If it matters these will be going on a 395 boot. Thanks.

I refuse to skate on anything but a Snyder
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 12:19 AM   #11
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I refuse to skate on anything but a Snyder
what are you basing your opinion on??

I own and sk8 most of the above and have owned and sk8ed ALL of them... I'm in a decent position to make the call...

Depending on which Snyder you sk8, you may be missing out on far more than you could ever imagine... Some of them are less than top performers for one reason or another...
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 11:58 PM   #12
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Hey Doc,

Just wanted to say thanks for the great advice. When a logger put his 180mm Giottos up for sale a month ago I snagged it...wow! After only 3 weeks on a roll line (my first) I'm 100% sold. I even just pulled the laser plate off my other boots and I'm going to replace them with 170mm Rings (which I also got for under $300...thanks Paul!). Now I'm on Roll Lines and venturing towards short plate territory...consider me converted!
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Old April 28th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #13
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Get a Giotto...
Doc, is the Giotto a better plate than the Ring?
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Old April 28th, 2010, 09:42 PM   #14
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Doc, is the Giotto a better plate than the Ring?

Depends on your definition of better... I find the Ring to be more responsive than a Giotto, all else being equal?? BUT I run my Rings a couple of clicks in on green cushions, the Giottos are all the way out.


Weight wise? I have never had 2 the same length to compare.

Any other characteristic you may be interested in that I am overlooking??
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Depends on your definition of better... I find the Ring to be more responsive than a Giotto, all else being equal?? BUT I run my Rings a couple of clicks in on green cushions, the Giottos are all the way out.


Weight wise? I have never had 2 the same length to compare.

Any other characteristic you may be interested in that I am overlooking??
Nope, thanks! That is exactly what I was looking for. I'm thinking of buying a set of rings for a new build. I bought some prolines but they are way too long and I will end up selling them soon.
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doc rolline started off in art many years ago with the energy steel and then they made the titanium parts and king pins. where does it rate now with the other rolline plates. you are much more in tune with them then i am. thanks
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doc rolline started off in art many years ago with the energy steel and then they made the titanium parts and king pins. where does it rate now with the other rolline plates. you are much more in tune with them then i am. thanks
I still think the Energy Steel is the cream of the crop. The Ti parts don't seem to change the weight all that much...

The Matrix?? Not for me.. They shortened the suspension which makes the action bind up faster.


Roll line needs to put the Energy suspension on the Matrix. Then they would have something..
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I still think the Energy Steel is the cream of the crop. The Ti parts don't seem to change the weight all that much...

The Matrix?? Not for me.. They shortened the suspension which makes the action bind up faster.


Roll line needs to put the Energy suspension on the Matrix. Then they would have something..
cool i like them too, and i like the heads of the newer kingpins over the original ones. use to strip the lock pin easier.

what would happen if they put the energy suspension on the matrix????
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cool i like them too, and i like the heads of the newer kingpins over the original ones. use to strip the lock pin easier.

what would happen if they put the energy suspension on the matrix????

It would be cheaper to mill the Matrix style slots in the Energy...
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It would be cheaper to mill the Matrix style slots in the Energy...
ok i got it you like the looks and the weight lost. cool
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