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Old March 10th, 2019, 11:47 AM   #1
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I recently got back into skating when I started taking my 6 year old to the rink. After the first few visits I decided to get us our own skates rather than use the rink ones. I bought us both a pair of beginner skates. I'm not a beginner but hadn't quad skated since the 80s and wanted to start with a good but not overly expensive pair. I chose a reputable brand and went with 82a wheel hardness as tbh, that seems like a pretty standard wheel for skaters at an entry level.

When the skates arrived, I was surprised at the wheel hardness but as I literally only knew what I had read I accepted them in good faith. The first few times I wore them I was skidding about on the rink, which hadn't happened in the rink skates. I wasn't skidding around like Bambi or anything but enough to make me cautious. I put it down to the skates being new, I also had a couple of hard falls which I put down to me being overly ambitious. I'm actually a reasonably decent skater so I adapted to the new skates and didn't think a lot about it until workers at the rink started to comment on my wheels. There were a few queries about their hardness because of how fast they were spinning and they were all surprised when I said they were 82a. I've since checked them out compared to the rink skates and other skaters skates and my wheels are very much harder than the 82a wheels.

I'm doing ok on these wheels now that I've adapted to them, however I'm really concerned that I've got my son in these skates. He's only a beginner skater and I'm worried about him in them. He's actually skating pretty well in them, can maintain a good speed, can spin 180 and skate on (the rink regularly plays a direction changing game) and is starting to shoot the duck. So he's doing ok. But I wonder if I should be changing the wheels? Or if I just don't have a clue and sometimes 82a wheels can actually be quite hard? And we're all fine? Or maybe even if the wheels are incorrectly hard but he's doing ok and it's fine for him to keep using them? They were bought to only ever be used in the rink. For outdoor skating he has an old but good condition pair of adjustable quads and a good pair of inlines that he's working up to.

I've emailed the company but it's the weekend so obviously I doubt I'll hear from them for at least the next 24 hours. I'm just glad that I figured out that the wheels are very hard before I ordered a pair for my mother. She's come skating with us for the last month and has been bitten by the bug too. These wheels would have been an utter disaster for her.
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Old March 10th, 2019, 01:10 PM   #2
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Hi Dazzler, first of all, glad you found the forum. What kind of wheels did you get, do you know the name and possibly what they are made of? Do you have a link where you bought them? 82a wheels should quite soft, actually that sounds like an outdoor wheel. Urethane can harden as it ages (curing I believe they call it) and as it is exposed to UV light, but it sounds like these are new wheels. Glad your whole family is enjoying skating. I wear Nike volleyball kneepads under my jeans, that is something to consider too, especially for your mom.

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Old March 10th, 2019, 05:43 PM   #3
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The wheels details are:
Wheels: 54x32mm
PU Injection 82a
Chassis & Truck: Nylon
Toestop & Cushions: PU injection
Bearings: Abec 3

I know they aren't the highest spec but the bearings are fine, they have great, smooth spin but the wheels aren't remotely rubbery. The skates are fine at the rink but when I tried wearing them at home to practice transitions they feel awful on my laminated wooden flooring and barely want to roll. I compared them to my inline skates which are 80a and they just don't compare.
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Old March 11th, 2019, 01:01 AM   #4
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Hmm, maybe do a search on wheel durometer on the forum if you are looking for your next set. Or maybe you will get lucky and live near a member with a decent wheel collection who doesn't mind letting people try his or her wheels out. I remember 92a being a soft urethane wheel, so I don't know what is going on that those 82a are hard. If you bought a skate package, some of those have some pretty poor wheels on them, like Caymans.
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Old March 11th, 2019, 12:38 PM   #5
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I bought the skates as one from a company with a good reputation so I'm surprised that the wheels are so wrong. I think my son really, really needs a softer wheel. He's doing ok but I think he'd be more secure on softer wheels. They haven't gotten back to me yet, so I'll give them a few more days and try again. If they don't get back to me soon I'll contact their twitter. Or better yet, get my husband to do it as he has thousands of twitter followers and I might as well get some use out of his twitter dedication.

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Old March 11th, 2019, 05:42 PM   #6
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The wheels details are:
Wheels: 54x32mm
PU Injection 82a
Chassis & Truck: Nylon
Toestop & Cushions: PU injection
Bearings: Abec 3

I know they aren't the highest spec but the bearings are fine, they have great, smooth spin but the wheels aren't remotely rubbery. The skates are fine at the rink but when I tried wearing them at home to practice transitions they feel awful on my laminated wooden flooring and barely want to roll. I compared them to my inline skates which are 80a and they just don't compare.
Those are most likely low grade wheels @ 82a are plenty soft. Hyper wheels are of a much better chemical makeup. All urethanes are not equal and with same duro one wheel may slide when another will grip well. Hyper wheels @ 92a would most likely have no issues gripping but you also might want to check with other seasoned skaters there to see what they use compared also to how your son wishes to skate, speed, dance, whatever.
Inlines and quad comparisons dont give true results in a comparison, the wheels aren't used the same way.
On loose floors I use Green Shamans @ 93a, on tight grippy floors I use White Shamans @ 97a
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Old March 13th, 2019, 10:54 AM   #7
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I've got good news on my wheels. The company is going to send me two new sets of wheels. I'm so happy the rink staff pointed out the wheel hardness to me, that I contacted the company and how fast they are to remedy the issue. I think having softer wheels will make a huge difference to my son's skating.

That said, (never say I can't find the cloud around my silver lining) I'm wondering if I'll find the proper 82a wheels a bit slow/sluggish now? I'm considering upgrading to a pair of derby skates to have as well and alternate between the two. I can use my original skates at home and when I'm skating with my son, especially when the rink is packed with kids. And use the derby skates for my adult skate nights so I can more confidently work on speeding up, jumps, turns, etc.

I literally only started skating again on NYE and this will be my third pair of skates bought in as many months. Though my reasoning is, that I'm way too old to be putting myself at risk of injuries in the wrong kinds of skates.
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Old March 13th, 2019, 12:35 PM   #8
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Though my reasoning is, that I'm way too old to be putting myself at risk of injuries in the wrong kinds of skates.

We all make this very same conclusion. The bad news is, you have a lot of reading to do. The good news is that the answers you seek are likely all here on skatelog. Quality equipment is important and padding up a little seems like a good idea to me. Here are a couple of links to get you started.

http://216.92.62.225/forums/showthread.php?t=6574
http://216.92.62.225/forums/showthread.php?t=10249
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Old March 13th, 2019, 01:09 PM   #9
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We all make this very same conclusion. The bad news is, you have a lot of reading to do. The good news is that the answers you seek are likely all here on skatelog. Quality equipment is important and padding up a little seems like a good idea to me. Here are a couple of links to get you started.

http://216.92.62.225/forums/showthread.php?t=6574
http://216.92.62.225/forums/showthread.php?t=10249
Thanks. I have a full set of wrist/elbow/knee pads. I have ordered padded shorts too as I've managed to land on my hip twice.
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Old March 13th, 2019, 01:32 PM   #10
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Thanks. I have a full set of wrist/elbow/knee pads. I have ordered padded shorts too as I've managed to land on my hip twice.
You're welcome. When deciding your next skates, it has always helped me to focus on one piece at a time, boots, plates, wheels, bearings. The 2 threads I linked show members collections and their top 5 list. I don't recommend package skates, the plates are too long, and it sounds like you would benefit from the maneuverability of a slightly shorter plate. Enjoy the SEDS virus (skate equipment dependency syndrome)!
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Old March 16th, 2019, 11:58 AM   #11
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I think for beginner (i.e. your son) then 82a is pretty good. They will give great grip on an indoor rink and allow your son to get going, get some speed, grip sound corners when learning crossovers etc. As he gets better you will likely want to move to a lower grip/harder wheel. Although these lose some traction, they improve your ability to manouvre, spin etc.

If you get some harder wheels, keep the old ones for use outdoors as the general advice is a larger, grippier wheel is better for outdoor skating.

I should add most of this comes from reading this forum and talking to a few folk. I'm still a relatively new beginner to skating. I had trouble in the beginning with slippy wheels so got some grippy ones which helped be get up and running, but they soon came to restrict my ability to manouvre when I stepped up to intermediate level. Just need to make sure the wheens (size and hardness) are suitable for a) your competence and b) wthe type of sakting you want to do.

Who knew this was all so complicated ?(well you lot of course, me only in the last 6 months!)
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