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Old September 29th, 2017, 03:34 PM   #1
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Default Comparing Roll Line Dance to Snyder Imperial

I only had time to mount one Dance plate before my weekly Thursday Night skate session. So I decided to go ahead and compare it to my old Imperials by skating 2 different skates. The Roll Line with 336 boot was on my left foot and the Imperial on a 297 was on my right. A few takeaways:

I mounted the Roll Line Dance on the exact center of the ball of my foot. This took a lot of work and measuring. This is about 5mm further back when compared to the Imperial mounting. The new position slowed me down a lot but I'm happy with the improved movement and posture from the front wheel placement.

My biggest (and only) complaint is the position of the rear wheel. It is also pushed back 5mm. This restricts some turning moves and being able to get up on on the rear wheels for some footwork. I now wish I could get a 165mm plate instead of the 170. Oddly the length I find comfortable is a lot shorter then the recommended length.

Both the Roll line Dance and Imperial have about the same turning movement based on my setups. Yet the felt very different.

Setup on the Dance is more critical and unforgiving then the Imperial. Pre-compression had to be just right. I can generally work in a range on the Imperial without noticing much difference.

The stock cushions on the Dance are about right. I tried a softer cushion and it was terrible. The skate was all over the place with a mind of its own.

The Roll Line was light, snappy, agile. As a result it is unforgiving: I felt every imperfection in the floor and felt slightly out of control. This resulted in fatigue. The Imperial is steady and calm. The comparison is like driving a Miata vs. 1980 Buick.

After taking off the Roll Line and skating both Imperials I found myself missing the quickness and freedom of the Dance.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 09:15 PM   #2
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Smile Berry Skates is now the U.S. Roll-Line Skates distributor.

Just so everybody knows Berry Skates is now a distributor of Roll Line Roller Skating plates in America.

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I mounted the Roll Line Dance on the exact center of the ball of my foot. This took a lot of work and measuring. This is about 5mm further back when compared to the Imperial mounting. The new position slowed me down a lot but I'm happy with the improved movement and posture from the front wheel placement.
There is nothing like getting the shortest possible Dance Plate mounted to the Boots you intend to skate on. More control, flexibility and style is available to your foot with very little ankle input.

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My biggest (and only) complaint is the position of the rear wheel. It is also pushed back 5mm. This restricts some turning moves and being able to get up on on the rear wheels for some footwork. I now wish I could get a 165mm plate instead of the 170. Oddly the length I find comfortable is a lot shorter then the recommended length.
Sadly the Roll-Line Dance Plate, does not come in half sizes. It is not available/made in the 165mm length.

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Both the Roll line Dance and Imperial have about the same turning movement based on my setups. Yet the felt very different.
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Setup on the Dance is more critical and unforgiving than the Imperial. Pre-compression had to be just right. I can generally work in a range on the Imperial without noticing much difference.
I agree. The Roll-Line Dance plate is more sensitive to kingpin nut tightness. It’s very sensitive, but that is the beauty of the plate. It turns on a dime, but that can put you on your A$$ if you are just a little bit loose on the truck adjustment, The fast turning truck action on a loose setup can flip the skater and knock you down onto the skating floor without a moments notice!
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The stock cushions on the Dance are about right. I tried a softer cushion and it was terrible. The skate was all over the place with a mind of its own.
I have to admit, if you don’t like sensitive truck action that turns on a dime with only slight ankle movement, you will probably not like the Roll Line Dance plate. The roll line dance plate turns sharper than the Synder Imperial Plate by a “LOT!”

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The Roll Line was light, snappy, agile. As a result it is unforgiving: I felt every imperfection in the floor and felt slightly out of control. This resulted in fatigue. The Imperial is steady and calm. The comparison is like driving a Miata vs. 1980 Buick
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Again the Roll Line Dance plate is not for the faint of heart. Now put a very low top/cut Berry International Dance boot on it and you got yourself a wild roller skating setup. Better know how to skate and have excellent balance if you want to go that route…lol!. I have that Berry Boot on a Short Roll Line Dance plate and it is wild, controllable and scary all at the same time.

Kind of gives me the feeling of doing freestyle in a Dance Roller Skating Plate…lol! I have a lot of respect for those skates and skate hard and fast but as cautious as I can be and the adjustment has to be just right or it can get dangerous out there on the skating surface going full bore!


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After taking off the Roll Line and skating both Imperials I found myself missing the quickness and freedom of the Dance.
There is no combination in the World with the quick action of a Short Roll Line Dance plate mounted on a Argentinian/Berry Skate International Style Dance Boot. This is my most Wildest, Scariest Roller skating Plate and Boot combination setup. I don’t recommend it, but it is a beautiful setup if you can handle it. I have to be on my toes with these skates, but it allows me to do anything I want when skating dance. It’s your choice. Choose wisely and be careful!



Sincerely,

Larry Otani

P.S. Proud owner of some Berry Skates/Berry Boots/ Roll Line Dance plates/low cut International style boots.

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Old October 1st, 2017, 05:54 AM   #3
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Just so everybody knows the Berry Skates is now the distributor of Roll Line Roller Skating plates in America. Only a rumor, but I heard Roll Line Skating Plates wanted to be associated to a leader in International Style Dance boots/Berry Skates.
Since when?
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Old October 1st, 2017, 05:11 PM   #4
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On Monday I'll try to find the Loop in a 165. It was discontinued. So we'll see.
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Old October 1st, 2017, 11:57 PM   #5
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Smile Dekindy, US Skates and Berry Skates/both. Amohrfeld...Good Luck!

Dekindy,

I just called Berry Skates and found out that Berry Skates is also now a distributor of Roll Line skates. It use to be only US Skates. Now it is Berry Skates and US Skates as distributors of Roll Line Skates.


https://berryskates.com/
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Amohrfeld, last year I apparently got the last pair of 165 "Ring" Plates. I bought them at US Skates in a blow out deal. They only had two pairs left and I bought the last pair of 165's. I hope you find a pair of 165 "Ring" plates, but they do not have the same action as the "Dance" plates. I think you will find the action is less than a Imperial, but still they are a really neat plate and I like the action for "Pattern" Dances and I also like them for Figures.

If you read the literature on the "Ring" plates they will say same plate as Dance Plate but the action has been tuned down. So, there is not as much turning action on the "Ring" plate compared to a "Dance" plate although they look the same on the outside. I had the same idea and found out the hard way, but they are still a really neat plate, though..lol!

Sincerely,

Larry Otani

P.S. I am waiting to save up a litte bit more money and will buy a pair of the Freestyle/Figure Berry Boots for my 165 "Ring" plates. The Freestyle/Figure Berry Boot is a little bit taller than the Dance by one row of eyelets.

You wouldn't think being a little taller boot makes a difference, but in a Dance Berry boot I wear a 270 and in the Freestyle, we are guessing the 275 will be best. They only had a 280 Freestyle Berry Boot at Nationals and we felt it was a little bit long, but still fit. We decide to go with a 275 for Freestyle/Figures.

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Old October 2nd, 2017, 02:32 AM   #6
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Ah, I got the Ring and Loop mixed up. So yes; I am out of luck.

I'll definitely check out the Berry Boots on my next build. My concern is getting the right size. When I bought the Riedells the shop had multiple boots to try on for sizing. We even called Riedell to make sure we were getting the product met my needs.

I won't be at nationals until by kids get to that level and that will be a couple years away.

Also I now have a question about wheels for this plate but I'll start a new thread.
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