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Ninja Naked Mole Rat
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Antonio Tx
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Anyone out there do a nylon plate on a Bont, either fiberglass or carbon fibre?
Just the notion of getting metal plate performance out of a nylon plate has always tickled the heck out of me. Getting something to perform better that it ought to, pretty cool. I am thinking of a fiberglass Quad Racer, not sure if I want another white or maybe a black, a Red or Purple Rock plate running either Red or Purple gummy suspension. I am thinking on getting a size 8 rock which should give me a 177mm wheelbase as opposed to the 167mm I currently use. Anyone have any input on comfort between fiberglass and carbon fiber Bont. I did meet on guy that raced carbon fiber, but preferred fiberglass Bont for training/just tooling around. Are the carbons uncomfortable? Thx in advance for info. ![]()
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Sk8 Ninja
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Huntington Wv
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The harder the sole gets the shiťťier the feedback. Reason being that the sole acts as a solid unit and doesnt deflect, so feeling where contact is happening or where you are getting slip, grip, vibrations etc becomes deadened.
Ever get a pair of gloves, and your feel through them was horrible until they broke in(essentially softened up and conformed to your hands) same is true for any quad. I've skated a bont hybrid on a plastic plate off a lebeda G80 skate. A composite resistor plate. It does quite well. If you are looking for a good plastic plate to use on a bont, I would see if you can find a super cheap rock or probe plates and message old Doc about getting delvin pivot cups and some Avanti adjustable pivot trucks. I got my buddy an arius plate, modified as well as mine, he had it on a Carrera boot I fixed for him(re-soled). After 3 or 4 sessions he was doing great. That same plate is now on a bont patriot, which is a carbon bont, his skill level went to absolute shyt. Traction modulation became a huge problem, and when he did manage to break it, it would slide out ridiculously fast and he'd flip the skates onto their sides. I've had my arius plate on 3 different boots, and well broken in leather is the best all around. No questions. Is it the most energy efficient? Nope. But I will gladly surrender a small bit of grip and power transfer for the ability to flawlessly modulate my grip threshold with the floor. After all, unless you are doing dedicated racing , that extra little edge in grip/power transfer is pretty much lost at sessions. The people with more dependable gear which they don't struggle with to do all the fine inputs will leave you in the dust on a crowded floor. My suggestion is. Boot: Quad racer leather Plates: Probe/rock plate with upgraded trucks and pivot cups. Yellow barrels with flat washers and greased contact points. Wheels: 95A Royal assassin wheels indoor, 62×38(narrow/full height) poisons outdoor. 177 sounds fine. Out of curiosity what is your total foot length? , just work with the suspension a bit and enjoy carving harder/deeper edges. As for comfort, they do well, BUT... they are horribly unforgiving, so any imperfection with their shape compared to your feet will likely cause an issue. I have not heat molded my buddy's bonts, so I can't comment if it would indeed fix it perfectly.
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Street Skater
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NH
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I agree with Mort, a leather boot allows the foot to breath and it becomes part of the foot, it is a sensory device, using carbon or fiberglass for quad skating is silly, the foot is going to grind and heat up or the skater is going to be less involved because they have less balance and more pain.
Inline skaters have to use carbon fiber or fiberglass for the support, and their feet suffer, bone spurs. Plates obviously should be metal, plastic, or nylon absorbe energy.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alaska
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I have been skating Riedell on a Pro Line for over a decade and recently tried another Bont after having one about 7 years ago I didn't like. I really like this carbon quadracer and put a Nova on it with upgraded cushions. I get plenty of feedback from my skate and have zero issues with balance or pain. I actually feel more comfortable and planted on the Bonts and my lap times show it! I session skate, shuffle and do footwork and do not feel I have lost anything with the carbon boot period. It does come down to personal preference though. I have skated speed on both inlines and quads over the years and now only skate quads. I just ordered another carbon quadracer and I'm going to put a Pro Line on them.
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Sk8 Ninja
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Action angle means less than how ductile the setup is.
Leather soled boot for the win if you want to have something comfortable, with great all around performance. Another aspect 8s how well the ID of a bearing fits to an axle. If there is end play in the wheel/axle assembly, modulating grip is so much easier. My arius plate has a dip at the threads, to 7.3-7.5mm instead of 7.94 on the smooth part of the shaft. The bearings on my royal assassins sit in this area, causing a good bit of end play. If I want it gone, I tighten the nuts down as I have spacers for my wheels. The arius is a solid link to the floor, mine have shims between the truck assembly and the plate to protect the baseplate, as well as press fit oilite axis pin sleeves and a very close slip fit between them and the axis pin. Hockey stops are SOOOO F'N loud. Ridiculously so. Now the boot I have is super beat up and soft. The counters in them are destroyed pretty much... so there is a lot of flex in that part of the setup. So the super rigid plate setup is buffered down by the boot and to some degree , the wheels with the end play. What you need to do is select components that will give you enough give, but not so much you lose a lot of power transfer or grip. Remember my mention of buddy who has the same arius setup I have ? We put loose fitting components in his(swaped some moderately worn stock components in) and his ability to modulate grip went up ALOT. we all lift weight from our feet to encourage slip when doing some moves, the important part here is to have a setup that can still envoke a slide, AND maintain it as you add in some pressure. Get too stiff, and it will clomp across the floor instead. Like a race car with wheel hop. Bad stuff...
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My Riedell and Bonts all have the same wheelbase. I feel like the Bont setups have more snap to the action than the Riedell does. I feel like I'm more connected to the skate with the Bont. It seems to me like the Bont gives more feedback than the Riedell does. They have a feeling of being more precise I guess.
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Pittsburg, Kansas
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I have tried a few different nylon plates with Bonts. For me, a fatty, it doesn't work well. For lighter folk, it may be better.
Specific issues -with leather soled boots like my Reidell 595 - I get wheel bite on pretty much all nylon plates (Satelite and Laser excluded). I tried Probe, Skins (DA45), Nova, Bont Ignite, and Sunlite. In Carbon soled Bont, the wheel bite was far less of an issue. The Nova and Sunlite were completely "bite" free. However, I was never happy with the flexiness of the plates. It is far less predictable and controllable than a stiff metal plate. I tried to factor in plate flex and run slightly tighter suspension... but it just felt "dead" and unpredictable. I very much like my Bont Quad Racer with fiberglass soles. I prefer a Pilot Falcon plate that is a shorter "sport mount." For derby, which is most of my skating these days, I really need a heel. I absolutely love the Roller Derby Elite Stomp boots with a shorter 10degree Magnesium Octane plate. I do switch the Kingpins to Reactor Pro and the cushions to Proline. My ego wants a fancier skate than the basically stock (except suspension) skate than the RD Elite... but it is comfortable and just works. Sorry for long winded response.... nylon plates are made better on a carbon sole. But my 220LB body still feels the flex. |
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