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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:08 AM   #1
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Default Mid wheel evolution

i've really become interested in the various 62mm "MID" market that seems to be evolving.

Whereas alot people might suggest this thread might be better suited in the derby forum - because any narrow hubbed wheel is greatly considered so -some of the offerings lately seem to be performance and speed driven.
Yes. I am an old skater who is now playing derby all of the sudden .. but i love to skate at the beach or an occasional session. I am kind of a purist when it comes to skates and gear... old Prolines / 595redlines / purpleLips - for my era and growing up poor, my skates are my dream skates. but i dont wanna burn out my purples so i'm buying some wheels. I bought some mids off craigslist for $10 and now i see the advantage derbywise... speed wise the 4mm difference doesn't bother me (i try keeping up with NHL pros when they come whizzing by at the beach on their bauer blades). and as far as my grooveskating goes..ive been able to pull off my stuff a bit easier. It almost feels like cheating.

62mm MIDS can be a small jump from the 62x40-43mm speed wheels that i am used to. I consider a "MID" or "Narrow" wheel to be any 62x37-39. Most of the MIDS seem to be 62x38, but with the RB Turbo comin in at 37mm (i think) and now Aussie Scott's newest offering (promises 39mm tires to go with his new SLIM hub in the near future), I am starting to imagine a new niche ( i think you guys call it SEDS) to dive into.

Heres a few I have become interested in..

#1. AUSSIE SCOTT'S SLIM ENFORCER (62x39?)
Man.. I always wanted to get a set of Enforcers...and now he goes and does this! (oceans of drool)


#2. SUREGRIP ZOMBIE MID 95A RED (62x38)
There seems to be some debate over SureGrip wheels in general.. but i am gonna try these new mids (42mm in pic) because the colors match my skates (that's right - i said it!)


#3. RB TURBOS 97A (62x37mm)
I may never hold a set of Deanos in my own hands...so I am forced to check out Bones premier wheel


so if you guys who have any reviews or 62mm mids I overlooked - post em here. (I am not too interested in ATOMS offerings or other plastic or hybrid hubbed wheels. ..but hey, what do i know..?) I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE WHEEL COMPANYS THEMSELVES to introduce or provide info on their respective wheels on this thread.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #2
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Hmm? 30 is narrow, 40 is normal speed, with some 42's thrown in. That makes mids 35, like the Fugitive. Good compromise IMHO. As for the plastic hub, remember, a narrower hub get less stress than a wide hub. Better able to take the stress.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 06:04 AM   #3
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Hmm? 30 is narrow, 40 is normal speed, with some 42's thrown in. That makes mids 35, like the Fugitive. Good compromise IMHO.

Hmm...i consider 35mm to be more of the "slim" catagory evidenced similar wheels by SureGrips new zombie slim or the radar diamond - and although fugitive refers to their wheel as a MID, i see it as a SLIM. That's a big jump - BUT COOL - Let's consider that wheel, too!!..

As for the plastic hub, remember, a narrower hub get less stress than a wide hub. Better able to take the stress.
hmmm..
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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:19 AM   #4
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RollerBones Turbos and Day of the Dead (and all of Day of the Dead's predecessor critter wheels) are actually 38mm, not 37mm. They don't publish this in their catalog nor on their web site (which means it's a miracle if one in five online skate shops get it right) but they told me on Facebook they were 38mm. Their art/rec wheels are all 30mm.

Fugitive Mids are 35mm per Sure-Grip site (I always thought they were 38mm).
Reckless are 38mm per GRN MNSTR web site
Heartless are 35mm per GRN MNSTR (one skate shops say 36, must be wrong)

One thing I've learned from following this stuff is that if they don't put it in the catalog, half the skate shops will guess, and others will just go with whatever's in the CMS template they set up for wheels.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:37 AM   #5
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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:44 AM   #6
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RollerBones Turbos and Day of the Dead (and all of Day of the Dead's predecessor critter wheels) are actually 38mm, not 37mm. They don't publish this in their catalog nor on their web site (which means it's a miracle if one in five online skate shops get it right) but they told me on Facebook they were 38mm. .
read the small print under the RBT pics

http://rollerbones.com/content/pdf/R...pring_2012.pdf

not that it matters..

My question to you guys is... do you like MIDS - if so, which?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #7
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My question to you guys is... do you like MIDS - if so, which?
Yes. I have some of Scotts Super D's cut to about 39mm as well as a heap of Enforcers and I seriously love them.
But I think Scotts new slim Enforcers will just step that up!
I'll be sure to let you know when I get some.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:54 AM   #8
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Yes. I have some of Scotts Super D's cut to about 39mm as well as a heap of Enforcers and I seriously love them.
But I think Scotts new slim Enforcers will just step that up!
I'll be sure to let you know when I get some.
wow!! i didnt even realize you could get those Scotts cut down to 39!! so you mean to tell me that you have a set of primo deano hubs and u put Super Ds on them and they are 39mm?!? thats gotta be the best mid wheel in the world!!
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #9
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Yeah, they are pretty sweet!
They probably spend more time on my skates than any other wheel, closely followed by some of Scotts OG "so hard they have cracks" Enforcers that are far from mids, they are about 64x44!
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Yeah, they are pretty sweet!
They probably spend more time on my skates than any other wheel, closely followed by some of Scotts OG "so hard they have cracks" Enforcers that are far from mids, they are about 64x44!
man.. i have got to get me some!!! but from what i gather SCOTT is so busy that i hate to even ask him if i can get a set - y'know.. i don't wanna bug him. But now i HAVE to get some Enforcers Slims - (and a set of Supers, too) maybe i'll PM him...
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man.. i have got to get me some!!! but from what i gather SCOTT is so busy that i hate to even ask him if i can get a set - y'know.. i don't wanna bug him. But now i HAVE to get some Enforcers Slims - (and a set of Supers, too) maybe i'll PM him...
It"s worth the wait, I have S/E's in the 96a in flouro yellow, not mids though and they are worth every cent.

Now have Vitamin C"s 94a for me and some S/E 96"s in purple on order for the wifey, cant wait till their ready.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #12
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Scotts slims are going to come in at 41: http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45174
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Scotts slims are going to come in at 41: http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=45174
But Scott also said he can Cut them down a bit more and in the future he is hoping to do other moulds to suit a narrower tyre again. That is yet another difference with Scott and his gear. CUSTOM made! If you don't want the full 64mm stuff he does, or the 42 mm wide gear, just tell him when you order it and he will say if it's possible to make them shorter or narrower or both
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Old July 19th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #14
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read the small print under the RBT pics

http://rollerbones.com/content/pdf/R...pring_2012.pdf

not that it matters..

My question to you guys is... do you like MIDS - if so, which?
Curious. Not the first time a manufacturer has apparently disagreed with themselves on things... Sure-Grip's Fugitive green mix (which almost has to be the exact same urethane mix in either size given the limited numbers of green Mids made) is 96A when they pour it on the wide Fugitive hubs. But it magically firms up to 97A when they pour it onto their Mids hubs. It's probably the leprechauns they licensed the color from?

OTOH, perhaps I had just asked (or implied I was asking) about the nylon ones?
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It's entirely possible for durometer to differ depending on hub size/design.

Think of a case where you have 0.1mm of urethane painted on a hard metal surface. The durometer is not going to indent much as all - i.e. it'll read very close to 100A - regardless of the hardness of the formula. Obviously an extreme never-going-to-happen case, but illustrates the point.

If you want actual made up numbers, I could go on about 101A, 103A etc, but everyone has heard that broken record before...
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Old July 19th, 2012, 05:40 AM   #16
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Default Narrow Scott's!

Imma be back in the pink one of these times...and my Aussie mate will have to get BIZZY just for my narrow lusts.
I must try the aluminum Super Ds as well as EACH flavor of the ENFORCERS...
Gonna be a bit of a tariff on that package...buuuuut, I'll be too stoked to care.
Get on the Scotts....
The Dippers are GREAT as well...so, Faster is key in 2012.
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