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Old June 18th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #21
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Smile Dear Rick, Acient1 and Tommi, Thanks for the replys:



It goes to show you we really don’t care what people think…lol!

I’m going to tell you something I don’t usually say. Although we practiced a lot at Del Monte Gardens, Monterey, Ca it is nothing like practice at Fountain Valley Skating Center, Ca. I get a whole bunch of practice time at Fountain Valley, Ca and I never got that much time at Del Monte Gardens.

So, I practice hard and a lot because I savor that Bob lets us skate so much at his rink, for basically free. The amount of money we pay for club is nothing. $50.00/month. I spent that much a day and don’t even think about it. On frivolous things like RSROA Roller Skating News magazines of the 1950’s, which I’m trying to find articles about Bob because he won 4 times in Sr Dance…LOL!. I thought it would be fun to find an article showing Bob and show it to him or give it to him…LOL! Wouldn’t that be fun? Well for me it’s funny LOL!

Anyways Tommi, out of the 2-3 years Anne and I skated together we only fell twice. One time it was in competition on the Big Floors (Similar to Fountain Valley), Monterey/Del Monte Gardens was a smaller floor and we were skating the 14 step. That dance has too few steps to get around a big floor. It needs more steps…LOL and the Casino March now in Sophomore “A” division has more steps…LOL! I was just trying to learn that dance the lasts few days, before Bob busted my bubble and said “you’re not skating Sophomore Dance” in his own way…LOL!

But, anyhow I ran out of gas on the second song of that dance and just fell down. Anne didn’t fall, but because she didn’t want me to look like an idiot she decided fall down and join me. I said “Why did you fall down???...She just said something like it felt right…lol!”

The second time we were learning the Flirtation Waltz for the first time and I lost my tracking for a split second. The Flirtatation Waltz is a tandem dance, Girl in Front and the Boy skates directly behind her. I think I clipped Anne’s skate with my Freestyle toe stop and we went down. Take off Freestyle toe stops when skating in Tandem with a girl..LOL! But other than that I I don’t remember ever falling while dancing with Anne ever.

Why?.... because for about 6 years Both Anne and I learned to skate Dance with a Partner from the day we put skates on. It was bread into us in every skating class we took from day 1 to the time we became partners and entered competition, finally going to Regionals in the last 2-3 years we skated together.

So Tommi if you like and this would be good for me also, we start taking Dance Proficiency tests with a partner together or if you know somebody else skate with that boy. I have already passed all my Dance Partner Proficiency tests/equivalent to today up to Test 11 with a partner. But if you want to start taking Dance partner Proficiency tests I could skate with you at your own pace/leisure and we start knocking them out starting with Dance Partner Proficiency test 1. This would take a long time, but if you want to I’m game. Each test you pass you will be less and less fearfull of skating with a partner. I think it’s best to start at the basics and that is Dance Proficiency test 1 with a partner.

I also worry skating with girls who have never skated with a partner, but the trick in the beginning dances/side by side skating dances is to always skate adjacent/directly to the side of your partner. Not ahead of him or her or behind him or her. It’s like a piece of ply-board is placed in front of us and behind us and we skate side by side wherever we go. We never get out of this side by side position.

In reality how do you control this side by side/girl/boy skating side by side relationship?

a) The girl will extend her left arm out and across the Man’s chest. Boy on the left, Girl on the right. I will grab you left hand with my left my left palm. The key is the girl has to keep her left arm fairly stiff. This is how I control the left side of your body. If you arm is limpy or relaxed I cannot control the left side of your body to stay in side by side position with you at all times.

b) Next, the girl places her right hand on her right hip. Fingers around the front of her right side and thumb around the back of her side. I place my right thumb between the inside palm of your right hand and against the right side of your body. It’s important for the girl to keep her right hand/arm planted against her right hip. This is how I control the right side of your body.

c) The girls left arm firm across the mans chest and her Right palm placed firmly on her right hip is where all the control comes from so a Man can skate side by side with the woman at all times in the Fwd Side by side dances and keep control of her body position in relationship with his.

d) I have looked at all the Dance Patterns for Esquire “A” dance and all the dances are fwd side by side skating partners, but those dances are like ‘”border” dances with a lot of steps weaving left and right across a baseline. So, you really have to be a pretty good side by side dancer/team partner to skate those basic dances.

So, for Tommi and I we skate solo for Esquire, but Bob may want me to skate Masters or Vetereans to find a girl who can hand handle the side by side partner dances at a easier level.

The older divison dances are easier side by side dances. I don’t know how old Tommi is but if she wanted she could probably skate a older class partner division where the dances are a lot easier with a partner. I'm old enough (61) to skate all the easier older divisions/side by side dances with someone who may not have the dance partner experience, except the oldest division which is 65 I think. I'm not sure what older divisions Tommi qualifies for by her age or mine if we skated together.

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Larry O and happy skating everyone. Tommi we look forward
to you getting back. I enjoy watching you skate. You are a very good skater.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 06:45 PM   #22
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Larry and Tommi,
From my experience I had less falls with a partner. If she were to fall, I was there to hold her up. If I were to fall, I would push myself away from my partner.

As for stops. Most dance skaters use dance plugs or dance stops (very small toe stops). I did dance with my freestyle stops. I only had one pair of skates and I didn't like messing up my adjustment. I also found as a freestyle skater that I would use the toe stops without thinking and if I pulled them I hit hard.

Maybe the dance stops would help to prevent falls. They are very small but more area than plugs and they are safer than plugs and less likely to trip someone else.

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Old June 18th, 2016, 06:52 PM   #23
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Hey Tommi,
Give it a try with a partner. Just a try... You may really like it. Like Larry was saying, start out with side b then try reverse b after you find yourself comfortable before going to closed A. Those are what I consider safe holds.

Come on, try it. Who knows, you might have lots of fun.
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Old June 26th, 2016, 05:55 AM   #24
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Smile Hey Tommi are you planning on skating singles next year?

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For myself I am not. Maybe the following year. Don't worry about the dance partner thing. It's really not that important. In many ways I think the dance partner thing would hold you back from becoming the best skater you can be. You can skate and do a lot of things in dance/skating without a partner.

For myself, Bob knows I have that background and he may want to utilize those skills for someone, which I don't have any clue who that person might be and I'm not going to worry about it. All I know I have to practice dance as much as I can, because I know Bob has something in mind and I have to be prepared.

As far as singles go that is my first love, but for now I have to make it my second, because I'm just not that strong of a skater yet to pursue it/competition. In dance I skate Vetereans/Masters or possibly Esquire and do alright. You are already there. See you soon!

Larry O and happy Nationals to all that are going!
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Old June 27th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #25
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Hey there!

Sorry I've been MIA!!! Still in Virginia and have been down with a sinus infection (again) and a wonky back. Haven't felt like doing a thing! Another week to go here in humidity central and then I'll be back to skate!!!

I'm not against skating with you Larry! It's just something I have no experience with! Nothing wrong with being well rounded!!!

I still love my jumps and spins...I'm just finding it hard to devote enough time to both dance and freestyle and coming away with the quality that I want. (I've recently moved farther away from FV and will move another 15 miles away later this year.) I'm also pondering a pair of dance skates and leaving my vintage Atlas for freestyle. Lots to think about. For the time being, I'm trying to use the Koffee Klatch sessions for freestyle.

Are you having your lesson with Bob soon?
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Old June 27th, 2016, 01:54 AM   #26
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Everybody seems to be back from Regionals, so for once in my life…lol, the floor seemed to be” humming” today. One girl, who I don’t remember seeing her in competition at Northridge or Fountain Valley, threw a few jumps today… An Axel and an Axel and Double Mapes in combination.

That almost got me to jumping…LOL! But I controlled myself…LOL!

Seems like we are both in the same quandary. I feel the same way you do about trying to focus or get good at one thing. And for now I’m focusing on the dance, but like you I want to use the Koffee Klutch to Jump and spin.

Everybody just got back/back to the skating rink and I think Bob is busy with figuring out what everybody is doing about nationals???? That is just a guess. I don’t know when he will approach me about lessons. It might be a while. I’m not going to push it, but after one month of skating at Fountain Valley I feel stronger on my feet. Kind of feel like I’m progressing a little bit, which is good. My balance feels good/better. I like the progress.

I just bought some new boots also. I was kind of thinking of using them for dance, but really they are a freestyle boot, I think. EDEA Concerto. So I just might mount them up to another pair of synder imperials, although someday I have to think about some Roll Line skates?

Sorry to hear about your relocations, but I kind of think skaters are use to driving to get to the rink. Luckily I’m only about 30 miles so that is just about the perfect drive.

Hope you get over the sinus infection and take care of your back.

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Old June 27th, 2016, 08:31 PM   #27
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For myself I am not. Maybe the following year. Don't worry about the dance partner thing. It's really not that important. In many ways I think the dance partner thing would hold you back from becoming the best skater you can be. You can skate and do a lot of things in dance/skating without a partner.

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Hi Larry...... From what you have posted above..... you seem to think that skating with a partner will hinder your solo skating.......that information is far from the truth.......I'm here to tell that skating with a partner actually helps your solo skating. When you skate solo, you pick up bad habits, twisting, turning, that go undetected ...... if / when you skate with a partner...... show up, not only for you, but for your partner also!

Its a win, win for both of you. Skating with a partner gets you more in sync.... when you are in sync you actually carry all of that new goodness over to your solo skate.......

this is from my own personal experiences.......so your mileage may vary.

but try it... you have nothing to lose....!
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Old June 28th, 2016, 12:30 AM   #28
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Smile emtdpf have you skated your regionals yet?


Thanks for the post!

Actually what I meant and nothing against Tommi, but what I was thinking was Tommi is pretty good in Solo Dance, by winning in her class a few months ago at Fountain Valley, Ca dance competition.

What I was thinking if she spent time trying to learn partner dance that would take away from her time to concentrate on her solo Dance.

For myself I was thinking about what Tommi was saying in another post that she would feel bad if she tripped her partner and to tell you the truth I'm not that good anymore and I could actually trip her and I would feel bad.

Tommi might be interested in this but Dawn one of the pros that skates the Koffee Klutch skating session for people over 30 approached me today and asked "what my intentions were in skating", because I'm at the rink so much.

I told her Bob had approached me before regionals and said we would start working on Dance???? after regionals. I told her Bob has not approached me yet. So I'm just kind of waiting. I'm not in any hurry because me too, like Tommi am researching all the old dances I use to skate and I am trying to relearn them, and those dances are nothing like the dances in Esquire or Vetereans or Masters, which Bob told me he wanted me to skate.


So, the longer Bob waits or me before taking lessons?, allows me to rekindle the old flame of relearning all the old dances I use to skate. I really think it would be wrong of Bob to think I will only skate the dances I will compete in. And all the old dances I use to learn are in my next proficiency test when that time comes, a long time away from now. But I think it is wise to realearn all the old dances until I reach the dances in my next proficiency test.

It's kind of fun because all the dances in Sophomore are the dances leading up to my next test. So I may not skate those dances in sophomore competition, but I need them to get my proficiency up for my next test or I could actually repeat tests that I don't have to take because of the crossover.

I was talking to Dawn (pro) today and said "the skaters at Fountain Valley have strong edges and skate very well, but they make mistakes on simple things like cross and backs and cross and fronts". One of those little mistakes when skating with a partner can take the team down and crash onto the floor. That is one of my fears.

So, whatever happens is fine with me, but there is a danger anytime you skate with a partner that is not use to skating with somebody else. Instinctively I would be thinking about my partners steps/feet when she is skating because if you don't have perfect control of your feet and skate in a very small "box" for your feet you can without even thinking about it knock your partner down.

But anyhow I think I'm getting way ahead of myself and I'm kind of enjoying the ride at Fountain Valley, Ca. I feel very fortunate to be in the position I am now, and I just have to be very careful not to hurt myself from jumping or possibly skating with a partner.

Most of the people at Fountain Valley, Ca look very good and I don't think there will be any problems learning to dance with a partner. It will be different though, for myself, them and anybody who chooses to dance with a partner that has never done it.

When I think of all the years I skated with a partner, that was about 6 years and you just don't learn that overnight.


Sincerely,

Larry O and happy Partner Skating...LOL! It probably won't be that bad!
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Old June 28th, 2016, 11:25 AM   #29
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Hi Larry....... yes, Regionals was this past weekend.

I skated 3 events

Premier Silver Team...1st place
Masters Solo(new event for me)...2nd Place
My challenge up event
Premier Silver Solo...1st place

The next time you see Dawn... tell that Don from the east coast said hello....and look forward to seeing her again in a month.
Dawn and her partner will be skating against myself and my partner in Prem Silver Team.

I still say, that spending any time skating with a partner is not a hindrance to any solo dance. Its all part of the personal learning process.

As far as falling with your partner.....at first, and on certain timed dances..ie...120 Waltz, yeah, you will have a higher chance of falling..... but again, that is part of the process. My last partner and I fell every practice, when we were doing the 120, on the straightaway, when we were changing sides......learning how and when with, has made my solo 120 a better dance, as now I don't twist and lean forward. LOL, hell, you can fall on your own, with no one around......so, that's no excuse.

Never give up wanting to learn new dances, and taking tests......for me, I think that its time to retake my Gold Medal, probably this coming season, and just this year I started to take the American solo tests, both taking them and skating team tests..... its fun, and I like giving back, as others have done for me.

We don't use boxes out here... we use the term "tubes"..... we have to skate in our own tube. If you are skating in your own tube, chances are that you will not push into your partner. I had to relearn this when I came back..... and you know, it works.

What ever path you take, you have an awesome crew out there for pros. Absorb all of their knowledge and turn it into art.......

Nationals is in 4 weeks, and I'm sure that the crew out there in FV will be busy.

Buy the way, Larry, when you were talking about the rink from your years gone by.... were you referencing the "Gardens" rink? at the bottom of one of the hills in Monterey Calif? If so.... that is the same rink that I caught the skating bug from, back in 1981 when I stationed on the Presidio......just wondering
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:49 AM   #30
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Smile Thanks for the reply Don/EMTDPF.


Yes, we have talked about that before, but yes I’m talking about Del Monte Gardens, Monterey, Ca. You once talked about Jan who was the sister of Keith and they were our best skaters at the Rink. I can imagine you talking to Jan, because she was a very friendly skater and would not turn down a conversation with anybody. She was very friendly and polite to people she didn’t know, a very good quality. And by the way she was probably one of the best looking girls you would ever meet…right….LOL!?

I know not to many people would be interested in this, but I have been buying a lot of Skating Magazines from the 40’s and 50’s seeing if I could understand the sport before I was born…loll! And it was surprising, Del Monte Gardens, might have had a different name before Manual bought It. It might have been called the Rolladium. Also Manual had another rink not too far away, in Pacific Grove, Ca which was called Skateland.

Also, I could see who the pros were and the people skating and the way they advertised and supported the sport in the advertisements/programs. It is just fascinating to me. It’s kind of like researching your parents before they got married. Where they lived, the sports they played and the businesses they owned.

I remember when my mom passed away I gave her a video of all the pictures I had collected from the 50+ relatives I had. She was simply blown away, she said “Larry, you know more about your father than I do”…lol! So, it’s neat to have a perspective on the sport and history is not all that bad..lol!

As far as the term “Box”, I just made that up because I didn’t want to say “tracking” or “square” or matching you partners swings, etc.

I will say this; I think I do a lot of things wrong when I skate, so lately I have been envisioning skating with a partner next to me when I skate. I think it helps with my body position, turning, swings, etc because you can’t really do too much when you are skating with a partner. Everything has to be straighter and in that “tube”…lol!

Thank you for all the important information you gave.

Since Dawn always approaches me and tries to help everybody at the rink, new comers and people who have been skating for a while I was thinking about approaching her about lessons in dance, because I don’t think Bob will want to waste time with the basics, which I’m just learning all the dances in Esquire/Veterans or Masters. I have never learned these dances before. They are all knew to me.

I really think Dawn thinks I want to skate Freestyle and suggested I take lessons from Jackie Cross. Actually I’m not too interested in taking lessons in Freestyle unless it will be for proficiency tests, which surprisingly I have never taken one…LOL!

Manual just thought it was a waste of time. We were not a freestyle rink although a lot of people skated freestyle before they all left for whatever reasons….college, girlfriends, work or whatever. And it's more amazing that Manual did not teach me Dance, he taught me freestyle and really thought I had a chance to be pretty good.

But the thing that sticks in my mind, was before he died he told me “Larry if you gave as much time to dance as you do freestyle, you would be pretty good”…LOL. So I kind of want to give Dance a second chance and give it everything I got for Manual. And since Bob loves dance it all seems to make sense. I think I’m in the right rink, the right place and with the right pros.

Sincerely,

Larry O
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