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Old August 27th, 2014, 11:21 AM   #41
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Probably the only change I would make is the location of the knurling.
Where you want it will be difficult to machine.
I would either have it right next to the cir-clip groove or just after the hollowed out section you have.
If you have a step down just before the knurling it means the tire will bite into the knurling better.
Here is an example of what I am talking about.
Hub on the left was from the very first batch of hubs I every had made some 6 years ago. Note the Knurling is in the center of the flat spot. Sure it will grip but if you move the knurling to where it is on the hub to the right when the tire expands up and over it has to push through the knurling making for a much better lock.

Hope this helps you a bit.
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I think is a good idea move down the knurling. Im leaving the idea of make a shallow groove in the hub and I think could move this knurl after the zone where I would to make the hollowed out section, near of cir-clip.

Thanks for your suggestions, Scott.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:46 PM   #42
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Are tires still being made for the Deano hubs? I wasn't sure if making those had ceased with all the work going into the Bont stuff or not.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 05:14 PM   #43
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Are tires still being made for the Deano hubs? I wasn't sure if making those had ceased with all the work going into the Bont stuff or not.

Scott still produces everything (and more) listed on his website.
His main focus now is producing top quality skate products.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 12:32 AM   #44
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Are tires still being made for the Deano hubs? I wasn't sure if making those had ceased with all the work going into the Bont stuff or not.
Hi Sidewinder,
I still have the molds so its not a problem to make tires.
I'm hoping Paco can start making the hubs soon and I can get some more orders myself.

Hope all is going well mate.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 12:42 AM   #45
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I still have the molds so its not a problem to make tires.
I'm hoping Paco can start making the hubs soon and I can get some more orders myself.

Hope all is going well mate.
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Thanks Scott. Paco's hubs look like they are going to be really nice. Little weight savings here and there, little bling bling going on. That would be such a sweet combo to roll.

I'll shoot you an e-mail on getting in on the next round of Deano tires, just knowing these are still out there and being worked on is awesome itself.

Appreciate the reply with the update
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Old September 1st, 2014, 09:17 AM   #46
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Thanks Scott. Paco's hubs look like they are going to be really nice. Little weight savings here and there, little bling bling going on. That would be such a sweet combo to roll.

I'll shoot you an e-mail on getting in on the next round of Deano tires, just knowing these are still out there and being worked on is awesome itself.

Appreciate the reply with the update
Hi all,

When I start this project, I have thinking to make a hub compatible with Deano tires and Scott Tires because original Deano hubs and tires are very hard to find.

And for this reason, I have made a V1 plastic hub that run right with this tires; but some people ask me about the possibility to make a ALU hub and for this reason Im working on this project with all the suggestions of this forum.

I have in mind, after finish this light hub design, try to make a hub with micro bearings to save more weight but this for the future because at this moment Im a lot busy at work and at my life and at this moment all cost of project is at my own cost.

If you have a Deano hub, Scott tires are the best tires that you can find.

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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:32 AM   #47
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They look very good Paco!
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 12:39 PM   #48
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Hi, all!

And again, Im sorry by my bad English.

As Scott Corey knows, I continue a lot of busy in my life and at my work but I continue working on this Deano compatible hub Project.

As we see in last entry, the previous ALU hub weights 65 grams and now I have reduced the weight until 45 grams but I need to lower more grams working on the hub design.

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Old December 3rd, 2014, 12:42 PM   #49
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According to your suggestion (AussieScott) I have move down the knurling near of circlip slot (See hub picture in the scales) and also I have remove some aluminium around the bearing slot, in front and rear of hub.

Also I have made a full circle instead of a split circle in the bearing spacing shoulder (Armadillo suggestion)

This hub version its based in a six spoke design with a central hole for each two spoke for saving weight.





Im thinking in reduce the width of each spoke from the current 3.4 mm to 2.3 mm keeping the radius of central circle, between spokes, for saving weight.

I think that ALU 6061 T is strong to compromise the hub strenght if I reduce the width of each spoke and also Im thinking to remove more aluminium around the bearing slot in front and rear of hub, by example about 3 mm deep in front and rear of hub instead the current 1.4 mm deep.

I have made only one prototype ALU hub and I have mount, thanks to Scott Corey, a soft tire (88a) to test outdoor. Great soft tires.

At this moment both bearings fits correct into slot bearing.

Thanks again for your suggestions.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 04:38 AM   #50
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Nice Update, keep up the good work.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #51
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Hi Paco,
mate I checked the weight of my old style Wicked Lip hubs. 41 Grams.
So my friend you are very close to the weight of a full size Alloy hub now. You need to also remember the cir-clip adds a little weight as well.

Wonderful work Paco.

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Old December 20th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #52
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Old January 9th, 2015, 09:11 AM   #53
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Hi all!

In first place Happy New Year, everybody, and I continue working on the 3D design of 6061 T6 ALU hub.

At this moment, as you can see in the pictures, I have changed the design of hub and Im working on a 5 spokes version of hub, thinking on reduce weight.





Hearing Scott suggestions, each spoke has in the middle of the spoke about 2.3 mm wide also I have moved the knurling near of cir-clip area instead of top area of hub.

I expect about 42g for each ALU hub, without tire and cir-clip.

This design is for 608 bearings.

If you have any suggestions for this design or any suggestion to reduce weight.

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Old January 9th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #54
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I have found that the 7000 series aluminum is lighter per volume. Not much but a little.

Mini bearings instead of full size would allow you to remove more in the spoke area.

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Old January 9th, 2015, 06:22 PM   #55
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I would like to go ahead and get in line for a set of those. They look great Paco.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:48 AM   #56
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I have found that the 7000 series aluminum is lighter per volume. Not much but a little.

Mini bearings instead of full size would allow you to remove more in the spoke area.

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Hello, thanks for your suggestion.

When I started this project I have thinked to made this hub with alu 7000 series because its lighter but I have checked price and is more expensive than 6000 series.

I want to get a ALU hub with a good price-quality relation, with a good quality at the best possible price.

I have in mind, make in a future, three types of hub:

- One design to make in Delrim or Plastic material.

- One design to make in ALU with standard bearings (the current design)

- And last design to make in ALU with mini bearings.

But at this moment I want to finish and run in production the current design before work on a mini bearing design.

And remember that not all the people like the feeling of skate on mini bearings.

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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:50 AM   #57
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I would like to go ahead and get in line for a set of those. They look great Paco.
When I finished the right design without any doubt you can count with a set for you.

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Old January 19th, 2015, 06:52 AM   #58
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Looks like things area getting close to a real working set of wheels. Great to hear. Can't wait to roll a set myself.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 10:14 AM   #59
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Hurry up Paco.

After today and machining some Deano tires I can not wait to get these hubs of Paco's.

I had 4 differently finished Deano hubs all requiring custom machining to get the tires on properly. Not impressed but hey I am complaining about a 20 plus year old plastic product.

I will send you an email soon Paco.

I hope all is well,
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 10:58 AM   #60
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Hurry up Paco.

After today and machining some Deano tires I can not wait to get these hubs of Paco's.

I had 4 differently finished Deano hubs all requiring custom machining to get the tires on properly. Not impressed but hey I am complaining about a 20 plus year old plastic product.

I will send you an email soon Paco.

I hope all is well,
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Hey Scott.

In first place congratulations for your fantastic job on your current ALU Hubs and wheels

At this moment I have finished the design of 608 bearing ALU hub version and I need to calculate the price of CNC machining for each set.

As you knows is my single work and Im working slow because as you knows Im busy in my life and work.

If I understand right you have made 4 different Deano ALU hub ready to production. I think its a good notice for all.

Yes, when you have time, please send me private email and we talk.

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