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Old June 12th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #81
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Re: slippage, if comparing apples to apples, i.e., against other 3 x 125mm wheelsets and not a 4 x somethings. I would guess it's more the G13's narrow profile and x-section's smaller contact point then the urethane compound and or F1 86A hardness.
You are right, it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison - I'm comparing slippage of 4x110 to 3x125 - which is an unequal comparison. I was just rather shocked at the vast difference.

I was trying to slow down to make a greater than 90 degree turn, it was very modestly damp, and I hadn't gotten all the way stopped [or nearly so] with my heel brake. [Yes, I use a heel brake.]

Normally I'd have just committed to the turn and while it might have been a little sketchy, I'd have made it fine. But if I'd done that with the G13's I would have pasted it. As it was, I was kind of trying to step-stop, and it was like I wasn't doing anything - that foot would just slide laterally with the most trivial of resistance. Again, it was just rather astonishing how little grip I had.

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Old June 14th, 2017, 07:57 PM   #82
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An update on the G13's [F1]

All things equal, I'd get F2's - I'd rather have something closer to 85A and while these are pretty good, they're still a tad hard for what I want. [But since I couldn't get F2's for the same price, (long story) I got F1's and I'm pretty happy.]

I went out while it was still wet in shaded spots yesterday, and IMO, the G13's are REALLY slick in the wet. Seriously! As bad as anything I've ever been on. I don't skate in the rain often, but I would really hate to be out there on G13's.

And we're just talking places where it was still wet where it hadn't gotten enough direct sun to dry out - not active rain on wet pavement. Perhaps in mitigation - though not much - this is a bike path that probably is a bit "slimy" which makes it more slick. Still, I've skated all these same places on quite a number of different wheels, and on a comparative basis the G13's were still worse than anything else in memory. And it's not always the wet - I've noticed they grip less in places where you're at the end of a push and there's a little debris there too. On good dry stuff, I've not felt it was a problem, but they're not as grippy anywhere as you might expect.

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Pretty normal for any Matter wheel. Their urethane just isn't very good on any surface than has any amount of water on it. This was the case going back to the days of Matter Juice wheels and right up to the present. From my own testing, I find that MPC wheels are the best in wet conditions. Doesn't even have to be Storm Surges (which are amazing) just MPC in general is better in the wet.

A general FYI, it is easier to skate in a good rain than a gentle mist especially if it has been raining for a while. When a road surface first gets wet, the oils on the surface are still present and are very slippery. This is why freshly paved roads, trails or seal coated surfaces are the worst. After it has been raining for a while, the oils get washed off a bit and the grip improves.
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Old June 14th, 2017, 09:45 PM   #83
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Pretty normal for any Matter wheel. Their urethane just isn't very good on any surface than has any amount of water on it. This was the case going back to the days of Matter Juice wheels and right up to the present. From my own testing, I find that MPC wheels are the best in wet conditions. Doesn't even have to be Storm Surges (which are amazing) just MPC in general is better in the wet.
I'm curious: what hardness of MPC's have you used in the wet? I was on MPC Black Magic XXFirm 4x110 during last year's damp and drizzle Northshore. Traction was quite poor.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 12:45 AM   #84
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I'm curious: what hardness of MPC's have you used in the wet? I was on MPC Black Magic XXFirm 4x110 during last year's damp and drizzle Northshore. Traction was quite poor.
MPC VT in XF (older wheel)
MPC Black Magic in XF
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MPC Street Fight XF (older wheel)

XXF is probably too hard since it is around 87 or 88a. Storm Surges are around 83a as are VT's.
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Old June 29th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #85
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More news from Matter, they've changed their 125mm hubs:

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Old June 30th, 2017, 12:09 PM   #86
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i just wonder how that extra flex is going to effect us 170+ guys.
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Old June 30th, 2017, 01:06 PM   #87
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Hmmm, looks like the same hub with some additional cutouts in it. Same thing they did with their 100/110 hub when they made the "emt" hub or whatever it was called. Probably not a good thing for heavier skaters.
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Old July 17th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #88
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I finally had the chance to use the set of Atom Boom Magic wheels that I picked up from eBay (I think it was actually Nistevo selling them) for a great $24/wheel. I have the XXF and I believe that they roll better than any previous 125mm wheel that I've tried outdoor. It's also the first XXF wheel I've tried outdoor. Here's the list:

Matter One20Five F1
Matter Code White
Matter G13 F1
Roll'X X-Road
MPC Black Magic XF
Atom Boom Road

The Boom Magic seem to roll forever, but like all 125mm wheels I find that they're hard to get and maintain speed. That's why I also ordered a set of 110mm to give them a shot. I have converted back to 110mm for indoor and am doing better on them. I figured that maybe I could follow suit skating outdoor.
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So I received the 110mm Boom Magics and like their 125mm big brothers, they had a ton of roll. Not as much as the 125mm did, but they didn't take as much to keep them going as the 125mm did. I ran similar average speed and overall skating times with both setups. Both frames are 13.2". I will say that I felt like I could push better through the 110mm setup and its four contact points.

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