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Old April 15th, 2019, 08:08 PM   #21
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Beginning skaters use harder cushions, advanced skaters use softer cushions
I did the opposite. I started on soft and medium cushions, then went to hard cushions as my skating improved. There were a couple of reasons for it. I liked the firm power transfer, stability, more solid hockey stops, and no wobble at high speed. Ease of turning wasnít a problem because I turn the same way as when I skated on in-lines or ice skates, which, of course, donít have cushions Ė go back on your heal, lean, point toe where you want to go. Iím a DA10į red cushion guy now. I tried DA45 and hated them. Even with nylon, metal washers, wood (yes, wood) with red cushions. No dice. Too turny and unstable. It took tremendous concentration and effort to avoid the speed wobble, and that mainly required me to stay below 10-12 MPH. But I think Mr. Rufus got it right: use what you like. Whatever blows your skirt up.

BTW, totally off-topic, but is anyone else enjoying the NHL playoffs? Fastest game in sports, hand-to-hand combat, and awesome skating skills. It has it all. Iím pulling for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Three solid wins against Division leading Tampa Bay Lightning. Go Jackets!
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Old April 16th, 2019, 12:55 AM   #22
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I did the opposite. I started on soft and medium cushions, then went to hard cushions as my skating improved. There were a couple of reasons for it. I liked the firm power transfer, stability, more solid hockey stops, and no wobble at high speed. Ease of turning wasnít a problem because I turn the same way as when I skated on in-lines or ice skates, which, of course, donít have cushions Ė go back on your heal, lean, point toe where you want to go. Iím a DA10į red cushion guy now. I tried DA45 and hated them. Even with nylon, metal washers, wood (yes, wood) with red cushions. No dice. Too turny and unstable. It took tremendous concentration and effort to avoid the speed wobble, and that mainly required me to stay below 10-12 MPH. But I think Mr. Rufus got it right: use what you like. Whatever blows your skirt up.

BTW, totally off-topic, but is anyone else enjoying the NHL playoffs? Fastest game in sports, hand-to-hand combat, and awesome skating skills. It has it all. Iím pulling for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Three solid wins against Division leading Tampa Bay Lightning. Go Jackets!
Pointing the toe. Yep, I do that. In fact lifting axles, front or rear is a big part of my skating. And lifting one axle means being only on the other. And a stiffer cushion is helpful in those situations.

In the long and annoying saga of my bad knees and ankle, I stopped striding. Or ever being on ONE skate. Like, EVER. I sticky skate. Keep both feet down at all times. That is not to say I keep all four axles down though. I freak some people out. I catch them watching my feet. They never leave the ground, and a lot of my axle lifts are pretty subtle. I alternate using the turning power of DA45 and axle tricks almost 50/50. If *I* went to red cushions, I would need to do more axle stuff, as the DA45 turning would be diminished. But I could certainly get by. The question is, would I like the different dynamic of red cushions. Probably would for a while. And then I'd change back to a purple, or yellow.

As for hockey, never did get into it. I used to like basketball a lot, and I kind of wanted to get plugged into March Madness, but did not. Been bike riding a lot, and reading about bike riding a lot. At this rate, I may get into watching the tour de France.
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Old April 16th, 2019, 04:36 PM   #23
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... no wobble at high speed.
If you have wobbles at high speed you don't have the brain/muscle training that allows full use of soft cushions. A LOT of people hate on soft cushions for this exact reason.

You can't just put soft cushions on and skate and expect good results.

It usually goes like this:

* Find the point with a cushion combination (doesn't matter, same top and bottom, different top and bottom, cupped or flat retainers, grease whatever...) where you wobble at speed. Tighten the action to where the wobble just stops and skate.

* Next week loosen the action until the wobble starts and then tighten a bit till it just stops. Each time you should be able to control the wobble while the skate has more action.

* Repeat the above working your way to softer cushions.You never want the cushions so tight they bulge or so loose the truck is not controlled by the cushions. With some people you might need to use a split cushion configuration to achieve this. Usually harder on top and softer on the bottom before having the same (softer) hardness top and bottom. That is what I had to do back in my Roll Line days.

This is not a short or fast process. For most it takes months. If you do this on a low action plate you will likely have to repeat at least part of it if you go to a higher action plate like a DA45. Most would rather say "that doesn't work for me" or "I tried it and it sucked" than do the work. I hear that all the time but seldom from someone that took the time to train themselves. Usually it's the opposite, "I finally took the time and WOW!"

The advantages of soft cushions are not only better maneuverability but increased traction in turns since you put more longitudinal urethane on the floor faster. In many cases you can use a harder wheel with softer cushions since there won't be as much slippage.


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But I think Mr. Rufus got it right: use what you like. Whatever blows your skirt up.
That is good as far as it goes but unless you share and understand other ideas there is little point of a forum for discussion.

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I stopped striding. Or ever being on ONE skate. Like, EVER.
Kinda hard to develop much power that way...

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