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Speed Skating Forum Most of the discussions in this forum will be about inline speed skating but discussions about ice speed skating and quad roller speed skating are also welcome.

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Old March 28th, 2019, 09:09 PM   #1
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Default Turning in Inlines

Ok, let me ask a dumb question.

How in the sam hell do I turn in these things?

I'm a quad speed coach and am pretty proficient on quads. Decided to try to start picking up inline speed because I'd like to coach that as well.

Anyways, got on them and I can cross over ok. Need a little work because the skates are so long, but no biggie. I can get around ok. Need a little more ankle strength. All of that will come with time.

But, can you turn on these things without lifting your feet up? Can I turn on the edges like regular roller blades just by leaning?

An experienced inline speed guy was at practice last night and he said that you can't turn like that. You have to pick em up. I've watched all kinds of videos on youtube about turning in inlines but they weren't speed inlines.
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Old March 29th, 2019, 12:13 AM   #2
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get on your edges, split your stance slightly ( inside foot just just leading the outside) and sit on your heels - weight back. pretend to lift your toes as this will get you better weight transfer. easy
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Old March 29th, 2019, 12:15 AM   #3
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Ok, so it is possible. So this guy must not be as experienced as I thought. If itís possible, I can figure it out.
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Old March 29th, 2019, 09:47 PM   #4
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Pressure, and lean. That's what makes them turn.

They are like a bicycle. You'll never see a cyclist at higher speeds turn the front wheel really, it's all about that leaning they do to make a turn.

A skaters version of turning a wheel is about pressure distribution and helping to glide the wheel to the intended path. Like knowing the skate will carve a certain motion for lean and weight given, and trying to speed that up by pushing or pulling your legs in/out.
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Old March 31st, 2019, 05:24 AM   #5
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Speed inlines turn just like regular inlines. It's just that they have a greater desire to go straight because (a) the wheelbase is longer and (b) indoor speed wheels are grippy. So you need a more significant weight and edge shift to overcome that than you do with regular inlines or outdoors.

I find it useful at the start of indoor season to remind myself of that with the "make as tight a U turn as you can" drill. The tight turn exaggerates everything - weight on heels, wheels on edge, body lean - and feels obviously right or wrong. If thinking about lifting toes doesn't work for you, you can think about going a step too far and putting so much weight on the back wheel that it wants to skid around the corner. Compared to quads, the back wheel is so far back that you can shift a lot of weight before falling over backwards is a concern.
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Old April 1st, 2019, 06:32 PM   #6
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Yup, you have to lean them over to get on the "edge". They will never turn as well as quads, but they can turn without doing a cross over. It is more efficient to pick them up, but they will turn on the ground too.
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Old April 2nd, 2019, 08:39 PM   #7
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Great responses folks. Really appreciate it.

I kind of want to get to the rink before practice tomorrow and grab one of the adult skate mates to play around on the edges to get a feel for them, but I wonder what the rink owner would think if he sees his speed coach out there with a skate mate.

Actually, I think he has a bucket on wheels contraption assembled that he used to use to teach cross overs. That'll work. I can lean on that to get the feel for the edges.
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Old April 13th, 2019, 12:48 AM   #8
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Everybody responding so far is 'right' (sort of)... as well as 'wrong' (sort of).

Please let me explain.

Changing the direction vector (turning) on inlines is not at all like turning quads, skiing, snowboarding, driving a car, walking, etc.

As a matter of 'bona fides' (credentials in this matter)... I have skated/competed on ice longtrack and short track, inline marathons as well as done quads recreationally. I have also competed skiing and alpine snowboarding. I am a mechanical engineer skilled in understanding vector dynamics.

And so, simply put... if you want to turn an inline skate (that is not rockered) (EDIT!!! turn without doing crossovers!!) ... you must transfer body weight to the heel and then force the toe to the direction of turn.

Why is this different from quads or rockered skate? (or skis/snowboard?)

Of course, we all know that quads are articulated which result in the wheelbase pattern creating a turn configuration when leaned to left or right.

Similarly, modern skis and snowboards (by virtue of 'sidecut' configuration) also create a turn configuration when pressured left or right.

BUT!!! Speedskate Inlines are a different animal entirely. Since they have no rocker (ask me if the terms rocker or 'blade radius' not known to you)... just leaning over on speed inlines will not turn them.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 12:18 AM   #9
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As an aerospace engineer I appreciate the detailed response. Thanks! Makes sense. I have been spending a little more time with the inlines and have found that putting weight on the heels make them easier to turn.
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Old May 2nd, 2019, 03:10 AM   #10
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so... how are things working out for you? going fast... turning, etc.

you said 'aerospace engineer'. your specific discipline? don't think I want to talk to you anymore if sw!
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Old May 2nd, 2019, 06:29 PM   #11
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so... how are things working out for you? going fast... turning, etc.

you said 'aerospace engineer'. your specific discipline? don't think I want to talk to you anymore if sw!
Things are getting there. Picking them up quickly. However because they only came in one width and my feet are wide Iím only able to wear them for about ten to fifteen minutes at a time before my feet fall asleep. But, have a guy helping me get that sorted this weekend.

Iím an aerodynamicist, specifically computational aero.
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