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Anyway, Please, "skateloggers", don't use locktite on a kingpin. When you see bad advice, take that person's future advice with a grain of salt. Cult mentality got us where the White House is, busted. |
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" You just want to pick out parts of anyones post that which you quarrel with on opposite views of your political bullcrap. None of the posters on this thread are advocating using red loctite for stock plates instead of, say, a prolines jam nut. Fierocious1's entire post was to highlight the strength and holding power of red loctite. Guess you missed that because you're too caught up with trying to make a fuss with people you don't like.
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Originally Posted by fierocious1 View Post What Mort said. My kingpins on my skates do not use lock nuts to lock them down. I install the kingpins in the plates using red locktite. Let it set a day or even two. Red locktite is very tough, you will have to heat the axles and trucks to get the axles out. But they will stay put. No, it was to amplify the use of red loctite for a kingpin. |
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Red is permanent, just like an axle in a truck SHOULD be permanently held in place. Blue 243 wont hold up. Green (609) is expensive, and must be ordered. One could buy a new truck for its price. Red 263 is the best for the task at hand of affixing a loose axle back into a truck with the proper strength, and also being oil tolerant, widely available, and about 1/3rd the cost of 609. It's a no brainer, but you're still arguing that it's bad for axles(well now you're on kingpins now..) to be as they are intended. You're arguing that Fierocious1 is advocating others to use it in place of jam nuts on their kingpins, which he is not. He stated what he used it for, and even without a jam nut, it is able to hold a kingpin in a plate, proofing its strength under cycles of load and torque. If I'm wrong, and your interpretation of his statement is correct, I'm sure he can weigh in on that and clear things up.
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Theres nothing mechanically wrong with his setup. Why you're even going on and on about it is beyond me. Not once has anyone been saying "throw your jam nuts away and use red loctite on your kingpins!" You just want it to be like that for a reason to try and smite people you dont agree with. Myself, I'd be afraid of eventually breaking a kingpin then having to deal with the loctite. Not that jam nuts haven't caused me some issues too, snyder royals, a custom plate , prolines, a snyder advantage to name a couple. But if you want K.I.S.S. then we should all be using probe plates that dont require any of that where the kingpin is a bolt that drops thru the plate and typically never breaks because the baseplate has some give to it.
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Was your example of use to highlight the strength and holding power of red loctite? Or do you mean for people to start using it on their kingpins in place of a jam nut? Ursle needs to know.
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I have lots of old skate plates and some have been produced with taller cushions. My plates are different than that, as I have overlength kingpins allowing me to use taller cushions on top and bottom of the truck. Never broken a kingpin, or truck. Usually I can stick harder wheels when other can't due to low ramp up. So, the red loctite could be used to eliminate the locknut, but I'm not saying that they should. That change would lead to learning things, as once the kp is loctited in, you have no choice but to experiment and learn. Sorry I may be explaining things beyond ursle comprehension abilities.....
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Ok. In your original reply to this thread you mention about using it and it should be plenty to stabilize an axle in the truck housing.
It seemed like you were giving an example of your use and that its strength did well for that even without a jam nut, so it will hold the OP's axle on the truck just fine. Essentially you used your own setup as an example of its capabilities for achieving a stabilized part. That's what I got from your original reply.
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And then Stupid doubles and then quadruples down.
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Just salty you were incorrect on the implied message and meaning behind fierocious1's original reply to this post?
No one is doubling down. Unless you think clarifying for you to understand why I tried to explain in the first place is doubling down.
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Doubling down, lol. Well if any one doesn't think it works.... talk to the skate... I have room to lighten the frame even more and retain the strength.
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Let's start over. "I install my kingpins using red loctite" That's all we need, that's exactly what we're discussing. Don't use loctite for kingpins. Quote:
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Obviously there's only one red loctite kingpin user here, hopefully, bad advice causes injury, and these two trolls just keep adding to the stupid. |
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Also Mechanically speaking. Theres nothing wrong with what fierocious1 did with his kingpins. It's no different than using a jam nut that would stabilize/immobilize a kingpin in a baseplate. It wont lead to any increase in failure rate of the kingpins. In fact it would likely reduce it. Considering there is more room for the suspension to be compliant with how the plate is leaned over. This would reduce leverages on the kingpin because there would be more room with tallercones/barrels before the suspension started to see significant ramp up, which is the primary contributor to breaking kingpins. You seem to want to believe doing what he has done to his plates will increase failure potential, which is not true. The only thing that would be problematic is if/when they do break, is getting the old ones out. But that has nothing to do with increasing or decreasing the durability of his setup.
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Locknuts actually increase tension on the kingpins. By locking down the king pins with a locking nut, the kingpin is under tension continously. The tension point is very narrow/concentrated, at a point on the kingpin that is between the plate and the nut. So any extra force added to the kinpin is combined to the tension already there but not neccesarily in a linear amount due to the locknut flange resisting angular movement.
So, my install actually is stressed less than typical locknut configurations. Oh and you're a racist lol
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Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, winner winner two chicken dinner. Yes, a Quadruple Triple Double down, recommending loctite instead of a lock nut. Someone take this person's gun's away, he's dangerous to others. |
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Promote yourself to top idiot.... you really have earned it... Ill probably live much longer working on my skates than you working on your "boys"
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This thread needs to be locked before things escalate further.
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