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Old December 29th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #1
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Default Time trialing vs mass start times?

Given my goals and resources my "races" will be TT's of 5, 10 and (maybe) 21kilometers. How do you find your tt times compare to pack racing? Obviously you dont get the benefit of drafting, but neither are you coasting, waiting for the next jump. Would you expect to tt 10k faster or slower than a 10k pack race?
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Old December 29th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #2
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It all depends. Pack races can start off slow and not pick up steam until the final lap or last mile. When you're racing against people, time doesn't matter...whoever crosses the line first, wins. So, if you have a bunch of sprinters in the race, they usually try to slow the pace and save their energy for the end. With time trialing, it's all about time...so, it's max effort (maintained) from start to finish.

With that being said, in theory, pack race times should always be faster. If you look at the "Team Pursuit" in long track ice racing, the finishing time for that event would be faster than the time a single skater could turn in. Drafting makes a big difference.

For inline racing, I'll give you some personal examples. On a good day, I could probably do a solo marathon in around 1:12 to 1:15. But, in races, I've done as low as 1:04, with many sub 1:09s. There is no way I could do a 1:04 solo. Besides drafting, pack racing forces you to skate above your normal left of comfort because you are oftentimes chasing faster skaters.

Now, for guys like Bart Swings, time trialing is almost always faster because he basically skates solo the entire race anyway. For him, drafting off others would actually slow him down because he can skate faster out in front than he can behind anyone else.

My belief is you should always train to be a good solo artist...because if you can skate 10K solo or 21K solo or even 42K solo, then packing racing is that much easier. You never want to be someone that relies solely on the draft...eventually that catches up to you.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 01:20 PM   #3
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I love sprint TT's, and am pretty fast for my age group, but I'm much better at running someone down vs being out front trying to run away.

I pretty much train solo with my 10 yo daughter, so I'm usually out front, unless we're doing intervals. Then I push her for 200 mtrs and then she sprints for 300 mtrs.

Reference for times. I'm 45 now and my best 300 was right before ODN. It was 27.3, but it was a flat 180 meter track(school bus drop off). I couldn't reproduce that speed at ODN due to track comfort. I did run a low 28 that didn't count due to clock problems, haha. I don't have a distance times due to my trail having too many stops along it.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 05:35 PM   #4
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I would go as far as to say that I can't think of a single situation where drafting isn't faster, provided the skaters are of fairly similar relative ability. How much faster depends on a lot of things, especially if you are talking road vs track.

Even if you are doing the pulling at the front, having one or more bodies behind you will help cut the drag in the area behind you as the whole line present itself as a single longer body (bullet train, nascar pairing etc). At Le Mans I have literally stood in long pacelines without striding or doing anything other than just holding my position in the line rolling along at 30kph and overtaken solo skaters working their socks off - being a part of the such a line is the closest you can get to skating in a vacuum as you have literally zero air resistance in front of you and zero drag behind.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 01:56 PM   #5
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I would go as far as to say that I can't think of a single situation where drafting isn't faster, provided the skaters are of fairly similar relative ability.
That's why I wish our banked tracks were about 20 feet wider. We could then hold much faster speeds in the corner, and our sport could hold a Keirin Race.
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