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Ask DocSk8 (Expert Indoor Skate Building Advice) This forum is different then the other SkateLog forums in that it is not a discussion forum, but rather a place you can ask skate building expert Fred "DocSk8" Benjamin about building and repairing indoor speed, derby, and jamskate quad roller skates. Please start a new thread for each new question.

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Old January 4th, 2010, 04:35 AM   #1
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Default Mount plates closer to instep?

Doc, one of the girls on my derby team is getting her plates mounted by a guy who is planning to mount her skates differently from how I do it, and I wanted your opinion on it. Her previous skates were DVW mounted Reactors on 965. I think you have an idea of how DVW mounts skates, he (and I) are disciples of the Doc method. She won her class in Nationals Speedskating on that setup. Now this new guy is mounting her skates so that they are closer to the instep of her boots. His reasoning was that the big toe and the toe next to it are stronger than the other toes, so he wanted the plate to be lined up under them for more power. I have never heard of this setup and I wanted your opinion on it.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #2
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Doc, one of the girls on my derby team is getting her plates mounted by a guy who is planning to mount her skates differently from how I do it, and I wanted your opinion on it. Her previous skates were DVW mounted Reactors on 965. I think you have an idea of how DVW mounts skates, he (and I) are disciples of the Doc method. She won her class in Nationals Speedskating on that setup. Now this new guy is mounting her skates so that they are closer to the instep of her boots. His reasoning was that the big toe and the toe next to it are stronger than the other toes, so he wanted the plate to be lined up under them for more power. I have never heard of this setup and I wanted your opinion on it.
Buy a Pacer, they build 'em that way..Most of the Sunlice built in Lenexa that I have seen are too...

He may be correct in his ergonomic assessment, but that will be of far less benefit than the loss of agility from that alignment... The toes in (toe in heel centered) alignment does just that..... forces your toes in when you sk8.

Now if he is moving the center line close to the instep, this is worse... The plates my be under the "strong toes" but the sk8r will have to work to keep them pointed straight ahead. The natural tendency will be for the ankles to supinate (rotate outward) causing the sk8s to split apart.

Let's put it this way...... If I thought that was the way to go I'd build 'em that way...

My main question is why is this lady messing with success??? I think she will be hating her new sk8s... If she isn't let me know... I'm always interested in something new to try...
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Old January 4th, 2010, 02:14 PM   #3
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Default It occurs to me

That the loss of a natural balance would far outweigh any benefits from using "stronger toes". Especially since the toes aren't there for strength, they're there for balance. It takes very little centering error to make the skates want to turn inward or outward on their own, and the only way to overcome it is with muscle control in the ankles.

I'l be interested also to know how they work for her.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 03:14 PM   #4
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Ummm, the reason is...complicated. It involves her girlfriend thinking that this skate builder she "discovered" in Ohio is the cats meow, and so she says and does everything this guy says. Most of it I agree with, but not all. I would like the girls to talk to me BEFORE he does anything, but sometimes they don't. He had mounted her skates like this a couple months ago but decided she hated the 1065 boot, so she sent them back. I asked her how she liked the set-up and she said it was "weird, but I [she] didn't get a chance to get used to them". I told her I would be very interested to hear what she thought of them when she gets them back.
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I asked her how she liked the set-up and she said it was "weird, but I [she] didn't get a chance to get used to them".
In the words of the guy who fitted me for running shoes, "weird is never good. take those off."
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Old January 4th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #6
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Question Consider this...

A lot of folks told me my sk8s felt weird .... to begin with... Although the theory looks like so much cow manure ...ya never know....

I am suspicious that the plate alignment caused issues with the way the boots worked as well...
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