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Old February 17th, 2015, 02:41 AM   #1
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Default Slalom on Quads?

Hello, I finally have the cash to get some quads. When I rent or borrow quads I find all the slalom moves fun on quads and would like to try that. The question being...

Do any of you guys skate slalom on quads, and if so what type of quads are you guys on?

Noticed that grapevine-type moves are hindered by toe stops. Also high boot is a must. But wheels are a concern, it seems that some are flat and some are rounded on the outer edge. I'd probably be doing this outside and inside.

Any advice appreciated. I'll also try the other forum sections for advice.

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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:09 AM   #2
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Well on quads you either have full wheelbase or 0. So to slalom on quads is a lot harder than inlines. You can't get the angle needed for the cuts. You'd need a ridiculously short wheelbase and DA45 to make the cuts an inline can with simple rockered set ups.

I can do a lot of stuff on quads and inlines, mostly the same things from one to the other, but even the 80mm wheels no rocker and a 273 frame make my quads a joke in comparison.

Maybe a super flexy build, with high kingpin angle, ultra soft cushions and narrow wheels also very soft with no core, all urethane... But your wheelbase gets all screwd, cause if you go short, you can't heel/toe kinda tricks without bashing your boots to bits...

Quads just cant do it all. Now heel/toes are a little easier because of the lateral footprint. Like "footgun"? I think its called? On my quads its so much easier to hold that balance. Like roll entire laps and pump speed on 1 axle. I don't think I could do that on my inlines...


I use a size 10 vanilla freestyle boot, which is low cut. And a size 12 Arius plate. Great turning plate but wont cut like a inline. A higher cut boot wouldn't do quads much good, you need ankle articulation and just the way they work... I don't think it would pan out well. Could be wrong though. If you can hold the edge of a wheel better with the high cuff.

Theres a video around here or on YouTube of someone freestylin on quads outdoors. Doing a good job at all sorts of stuff. Does a few cone tricks too. If I remember this right he's on the edges of his wheels and uses a above ankle boot.

Toe stops? Who needs those? Use jam plugs!
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Old March 18th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #3
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I am exclusively a quad skater (hence my name). I started skating 4 and a bit years ago, and I have never tried inlines.

I don't do slalom, but I do quite a few slalom moves on my quads (mostly off the cones, but sometimes on the cones).

I took the stoppers off my skates the first day I started skating. I don't use jam plugs either (they're just a nuisance and get in the way). Even without anything at all in the toe stop holder, I was still catching the toe block of the baseplate on the ground during certain moves, so I ended up getting NTS plates. I still sometimes use my plates with a stopper holder, but I had to grind down the toe stop boss (semi-nose job) to make them usable.

My boots are hard shell hockey style boots that are very common in the UK. I can't say that they're particularly good for slalom, but they do suit my style of skating, and I've managed to do a good number of slalom moves on them (some of which even my inline skater friends cannot do).

Apparently there are a lot of quad slalomers in France and they trend to use quite stiff and less turny actions, which seems completely counter-intuitive to me, but they swear by it. My instinct would have been to go for soft cushions and as much response and turn as you can get, because the biggest problem that I encounter is being able to turn anywhere near as tightly as an inline skate. Getting through 80s is bad enough, but on 50s it can be a real struggle. Of course you need ensure that stability is not compromised otherwise other moves start to suffer (wheeling etc.). I suppose a lot depends on what kinds of moves you most want to do.

I did consider going for a shorter wheelbase plate in order to get a tighter turning circle, but doing so would mess up my ability to do my favourite slalom moves; I need the toe clearance and maximum forward tilt (particularly for the move I'm working on at the moment) which short plates don't allow.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 03:31 AM   #4
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I am exclusively a quad skater (hence my name). I started skating 4 and a bit years ago, and I have never tried inlines.

I don't do slalom, but I do quite a few slalom moves on my quads (mostly off the cones, but sometimes on the cones).

I took the stoppers off my skates the first day I started skating. I don't use jam plugs either (they're just a nuisance and get in the way). Even without anything at all in the toe stop holder, I was still catching the toe block of the baseplate on the ground during certain moves, so I ended up getting NTS plates. I still sometimes use my plates with a stopper holder, but I had to grind down the toe stop boss (semi-nose job) to make them usable.

My boots are hard shell hockey style boots that are very common in the UK. I can't say that they're particularly good for slalom, but they do suit my style of skating, and I've managed to do a good number of slalom moves on them (some of which even my inline skater friends cannot do).

Apparently there are a lot of quad slalomers in France and they trend to use quite stiff and less turny actions, which seems completely counter-intuitive to me, but they swear by it. My instinct would have been to go for soft cushions and as much response and turn as you can get, because the biggest problem that I encounter is being able to turn anywhere near as tightly as an inline skate. Getting through 80s is bad enough, but on 50s it can be a real struggle. Of course you need ensure that stability is not compromised otherwise other moves start to suffer (wheeling etc.). I suppose a lot depends on what kinds of moves you most want to do.

I did consider going for a shorter wheelbase plate in order to get a tighter turning circle, but doing so would mess up my ability to do my favourite slalom moves; I need the toe clearance and maximum forward tilt (particularly for the move I'm working on at the moment) which short plates don't allow.
I do slalom quad skating with all wheels down on as sharply turning of a plate set up as I can get (DA45 with super squishy upper barrel cushions and a reversed cone lower hard cushion -see pic below), but even this setup is still not able to handle short cone spacing without getting up on just the front two wheels.

This is one reason French slalom skaters dis the the soft suspension setup, since it gets too squirrelly as the rear of the plate comes further up off the ground and only the front two carry the load.

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Old March 20th, 2015, 02:32 PM   #5
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This is one reason French slalom skaters dis the the soft suspension setup, since it gets too squirrelly as the rear of the plate comes further up off the ground and only the front two carry the load.
Interesting!

In my own way I sort of arrived at a similar conclusion. I soon realised that certain skate properties were mutually exclusive; so I either had to use a compromise that was not effective in either aspect, or forego certain qualities and pretty much give up the tricks that went with them. I decided on the latter, and opted for stability at the expense of 'turnability' (due to the kinds of moves that I most wanted to do).

I did find some work-arounds though. By using very pronounced unweighting, I'm able to do moves like Crazy or Mabrouk with all wheels down (during the entire move) even on super grippy 78a wheels. I use a similar unweighting technique for my Fan Voltes too. Also, I will often tilt over and balance on my wheel edges (when doing tricks like 1-cone crazy etc.).




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I do slalom quad skating ...
What kind of slalom moves do you already do? and what (if anything) are you currently learning?
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Interesting!

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What kind of slalom moves do you already do? and what (if anything) are you currently learning?
I really did not continue with slalom to the stage of doing moves.
Just steadily working for about 10 sessions at getting through the normal spacing of cones was as long as I did quad slalom.

Never could improve enough, and all other skaters in the group were inliners, so I had to have my own further spaced cone line, making me feel like I was an odd man out. May revisit the group as soon as weather warms up, and see how my latest & turniest build may help.

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Old March 24th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #7
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... Noticed that grapevine-type moves are hindered by toe stops ...
I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by this comment.

Are you maybe talking about Toe Grapevine moves? because I cannot see how toe stoppers could have any effect on a standard Mabrouk (or a standard Crazy for that matter).

Perhaps you could clarify.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 05:28 AM   #8
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Huh, I'm not sure what I was talking about. Maybe I was talking about toe toe grapevine. I do that a lot on inlines. I can do grapevine on figure skates and that has an even more pronounced toe type hinderance. So I'm actually not sure. I'll tell you the next time I borrow a pair. My bad.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 10:17 AM   #9
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Cool. Thanks.

Seeing as you're someone who has done slalom on both inlines and quads, I'd be very interested in your personal experience of how your slalom moves translate between the two types of skate, and also what kind of technique changes (if any) you have to adopt.

Certain slalom moves are undoubtedly easier on inlines, so I'm curious to know whether people who slalom on both quads and inlines have the same repertoire on each type of skate, or whether they have separate sets of moves depending on which type of skate they're rolling at the time.

I only have quad experience, so any slalom-type moves that I do are done within that limited context. I don't have anything else to compare it to, so that's why I'm interested to hear the views of people who skate both.

Keep us updated when you're back skating again.

There are also some slalom moves that I'm finding really challenging, and it would be interesting to hear whether other other slalom quaddies have difficulties with the same moves, or whether it varies from skater to skater.
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Old March 31st, 2015, 12:15 AM   #10
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No, I never bought those quads, so i have no real experience (except my entire childhood). Today was the day I spent my measly budget and bought proper ice skates (the cheap ones I bought did not stand up). I fell in love with a pair of used ice skates (never saw that coming), bought them for 90 bucks and when I got home found them online for $599.99. SCORE!!!!!!!
They feel to me almost exactly like my Sebas! HAPPY.:roll eyes:

Due to this horrible winter that we just can't seem to loose I've adapted to the ice. This was initially just to supplement skating days when the roller rink was closed, but now is becoming quite an obsession. Do you guys ice skate too?

Sorry for digressing.
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Old March 31st, 2015, 02:38 AM   #11
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Closest ice rink for me is 50 miles one direction and the sessions are somewhat limited. I also don't have my own ice skates, not since I was about 14, when the local civic arena used to have an ice rink and we had our own semi-pro hockey team. Wish that would come back.

Sounds like you got a nice deal. Those ice skates dont have an articulating cuff do they? Most hockey skates don't, thats really the only thing that turns me away from them in general, as to get them tight where I want them often restricts movements elsewhere. I know with heat modling its possible, but lacing them up is always a pain in the arse, even when I was a kid and I had a skate key.
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