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Old January 7th, 2018, 05:55 AM   #1
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Default Looking for a comparison of 20 degree plates:

Looking for a comparison of 20 degree plates:

Crazy Venus vs Chaya Shiva (or Ophira) vs. Bont Athena vs Roll-Line Dance (or any others around 20 degrees) / Plate rec

Why: I play roller derby. The Venus has been my favorite plate, but I snapped 7 kingpins in just over a year. Since the kingpins are threaded through the plate, I would have to pull off the plate and hurridely re-mount when it happened during a game to replace the kingpin, which made me miss about a quarter of the game.

My style of skating: I block. I do both choppy steps and like to be able to have a lot of controlled slide. Not a jumper, but I stop very hard and fast, and I am guessing I stress-fractured the kingpins over time because they would break when I was only just rolling. We even tried swapping out the plates to see if mine were defective, and I broke all of the kingpins (front right, front left, etc) at least once.

Plates I have tried since the Venus:
- Pilot Falcon Plus: yuck without the adjustable kingpin, okay with it. Could not quite get the action out of it I wanted, even with the softest cushions and my lock nut threatening to come off. Hated where the toestop was. Also was something else about this plate I did not love - maybe the cushions? (which makes me worry a bit about a roll line with the shorter bottom cone, but it is also completely possible that it was not it at all - I skated the Revenge years ago, and this just felt different in a way I did not like)
- Mag Avenger: More action than Falcon, which I liked. Had a weird dead spot if I leaned into a hockey stop too much (for that plate)- had to be more straight up to break my wheels loose. Pivots always knocked out of adjustment by the end of practice. Also had to change a few trucks out in a short amount of time because the adjustable pivot locked up. (Caveat: may have been something wrong with one plate because it always felt like the left front pivot was coming through my boot even after I changed out the pivot cup and tried lowering the pivot pin way too low).
- Platinum Arius: plate is fine. I like it better than the Falcon Plus and Mag Avenger. Don't like that it feels like it has no center to return to. Feels like not all of my push always transfers to the floor. Worst thing that has happened was that the Axis pin fell out once. No kingpin for me to break.

Additional info: 170lbs, hard or medium top cushion, soft bottom cushion

I skated fine on all of the plates, and I am fine on the Platinum Arius. After a bunch of cushion tries, I am happy enough with the plate, but I still really miss the Venus. That plate felt so natural to me, and I had no adjustment period. The only complaints I ever* had was that it was a heavier plate and that I wished it had adjustable pivots.

I may be asking for something that does not exist, but I am curious to hear from people who have skated on more than one 20 (or 22) degree plate as to how they compare. I would also be fine with a Franken plate. I have been wondering if roll line trucks would fit on the Chaya Shiva. Also thought about replacing the Bont* Athena kingpins with Snyder titanium (I read somewhere that they were the same size).

TL;DR: Looking for a plate with a similar feel to the venus, but more durable and preferably lighter
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Old January 7th, 2018, 06:25 AM   #2
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Do a forum search on Falcon and Athena and you will find some interesting discussions.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 06:57 AM   #3
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Thank you for the suggestion, but I have searched and read every thread I could find on Skatelog (and elsewhere) on the Venus, the Chaya plates, the Athena, the Roll-Line Dance/Novita/Ring, and I have not found a good comparison. The closest I found was that Doc was going to review rhwm against his Rings, but I could never find that review, and that another member said that the liked the Athena best, but that he could not explain entirely why.

There may be threads out there that I missed through operator error or because my phone or computer would not let me see all the hits. If you know of any that compare the plates, could you please post a link?
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Old January 7th, 2018, 01:23 PM   #4
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Donít have a Venus in hand, does the king pin screw in or press in.
Grab a set of Snyder advantage, great plate, easily sourced parts, you wonít break a king pin, you can add titanium parts as you go, or just useíem.

Any roll line plate also, 18-20 degrees, same thing, more expensive possibly, but parts are available.

Pro line plates are 5 or 10 degrees, bombproof, but if you want 18-20, itís your call.

Back to the Snyder, established company, you can go full titanium or any point between stock and full titanium, lots of cushion choices, adjustable pivot pins, easily sourced.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 08:40 PM   #5
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I have skated Venus, Chaya, and the new Bont Athena.

Chaya: VERY well built plates. Ophira are a bit heavy. Shiva are lighter, but pricey. I didn't skate them long enough to judge durability. Price is the main downside.

Bont Athena: Amazing plate at this pricepoint. some have complained that 6061 aluminum is not light enough. It skated well. I can not confirm, but it felt like a lower "deck height" than many other plates. I did NOT have any wheel rub. Best thing... cushions are a standard size, so you should be able to use Sure-Grip cushions (I have not tried). Also, king pins are the same size as Snyder. Getting parts should be easy.

Crazy Venus: Plate is strong and colors are cool. I like the cushions and hardware. Aluminum kingpins prone to breaking. The cheaper steel king pin option seems to be less of an issue. I used to sell this plate a lot to those who really wanted colors. I rarely sell these anymore.

MY Opinion: I really wanted the Bont Athena to be my dream plate. It is such a good product! All of the 20 degree plates I mentioned skate similarly. For some reason, 20 Degree plates just don't agree with me. To me, there is just a "dead" feeling. Obviously, they are great for a lot of people.

I am skating the Roller Derby Elite Magnesium 45 degree plate right now and really like it. It skates differently than the Sure-Grip Avenger. I had problems with RD Elite Kingpins in the first generation, but they seem to be better now.

As with any product, your milage may vary. That being said, if you want a 20 degree plate at a great price, consider the Bont Athena.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 03:38 PM   #6
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The kingpon goes in through the top of the plate; it doea not screw into the bottom.

Thank you for your thoughts ans conparisons!
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