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Old July 23rd, 2019, 01:08 PM   #1
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I started again with skating 3 years ago. 2 years ago I've bought a pair of Powerslide R2's with 3x110mm 11,8" Powerslide Vi alu frame.
A year ago I participated together with a friend in the Berlin marathon for the first time. We finished in 1h28. After the marathon I bought new boots as a personal reward ��. I bought a pair of Bont Z boots and equipped them with the 11,8" Poweslide Vi alu frame and 3x110 Matter G13 wheels.
Now I am thinking to upgrade my frames to go faster. I never knew why I bought the 3x110 skates nor do I know the benefits of this set up. To what do you think I need to upgrade. 4x110, 3x110+100 or 3x125mm.
I am 1m69cm (5 feet 6,5 inches) tall and weigh 75kg (165 pounds).
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Old July 23rd, 2019, 06:34 PM   #2
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I started again with skating 3 years ago. 2 years ago I've bought a pair of Powerslide R2's with 3x110mm 11,8" Powerslide Vi alu frame.
A year ago I participated together with a friend in the Berlin marathon for the first time. We finished in 1h28. After the marathon I bought new boots as a personal reward ��. I bought a pair of Bont Z boots and equipped them with the 11,8" Poweslide Vi alu frame and 3x110 Matter G13 wheels.
Now I am thinking to upgrade my frames to go faster. I never knew why I bought the 3x110 skates nor do I know the benefits of this set up. To what do you think I need to upgrade. 4x110, 3x110+100 or 3x125mm.
I am 1m69cm (5 feet 6,5 inches) tall and weigh 75kg (165 pounds).
The hybrid (3x110+1x100) is probably the best for your height but they are annoying as heck when it comes to buying wheels. If you can push the 4x110 setup, that is the most common right now. 3x125 setups are pretty good too but I am not sold on the idea. If you like the 3x110, the 3x125 might be a good setup for you. Hard to make a good recommendation without seeing you skate.
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Old July 24th, 2019, 01:10 AM   #3
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I just switched to the 3x125 from 4x110.
the simmons frames are solid. I am a little bigger than you. I like them.
I have the EO carbon frames before. They feel a like a little flex which with my weight was like not being efficient in my stroke.
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Old July 25th, 2019, 08:22 AM   #4
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When I bought my Powerslide R2 skates 2 years ago, I've also bought a set of Matter One20Five Image wheels, which didn't fit on the R2's. Yesterday I cleaned my bearings and mounted the One20Five Image wheels on the 11,8" frame on my Bonts. This morning I went for a short skate.
It was not a success! Every push is a lot harder and it felt like a constant challenge, especially for my ankles. My legs are probably not strong enough for 125 mm wheels.
What will be better if I upgrade to 4x110mm (or 3x110+100) compared to my current 3x110mm 11,8" frame set-up?
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Old July 25th, 2019, 01:29 PM   #5
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I just switched to the 3x125 from 4x110.
the simmons frames are solid. I am a little bigger than you. I like them.
I have the EO carbon frames before. They feel a like a little flex which with my weight was like not being efficient in my stroke.
I did the same thing and agree 100% The Simmons frames perform better over the EO frames for me also..
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Old July 25th, 2019, 07:30 PM   #6
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I just switched to the 3x125 from 4x110.
the simmons frames are solid. I am a little bigger than you. I like them.
I have the EO carbon frames before. They feel a like a little flex which with my weight was like not being efficient in my stroke.
Interesting. How much do you weigh? I'm about 160lbs. I considered the EO but due to cost and concerns about stiffness, I ended up with a Powerslide XXX 13.0
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Interesting. How much do you weigh? I'm about 160lbs. I considered the EO but due to cost and concerns about stiffness, I ended up with a Powerslide XXX 13.0
185-190lb

The EO works well on rough roads and the combination of 4x110 is a nice set up.
And sometimes having flex in a stroke is good. Just felt at times during hard pushes I was not getting
All my power transferred.
The 3x125s are a whole group set of challenges that i am still getting used to.
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Old July 26th, 2019, 11:17 AM   #8
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Do you guys know what the benefit would be on 4x110 set-up, compared to my 3x110 11,8" set-up?
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Old July 26th, 2019, 02:00 PM   #9
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I've never skated on a 3x110, but 4x110 should be faster. I would also think it would be a bit more stable. 11.8 is a pretty short frame length. I'm guessing a 3x110 set-up was originally designed for a younger skater...someone who is a little shorter and building up strength. A 3x110 isn't a set-up you would see for most senior level skaters. So, not sure what your age and ability level is, but a 4x110 should be a relatively significant upgrade. You will definitely notice some weight increases and the longer set-up may feel awkward at first, but you will get used to it. You are probably looking at a 200 gram increase in weight per skate (minimum).
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Old July 27th, 2019, 02:30 AM   #10
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Do you guys know what the benefit would be on 4x110 set-up, compared to my 3x110 11,8" set-up?
Much more roll and smoother on rough surfaces. The 4x110 may also have a lower deck height which seems backwards at first but many 3x??? frames are built a bit tall to make sure that the front and back of the boot clear the wheels.
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Old August 6th, 2019, 04:11 PM   #11
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The difference between 3x110 and 4x110 is going to be more contact point(from the added wheel), which equates to more return in power from your push. The 13.2" length of the 4x110 will not be are quick to maneuver as the 3x110/11.8" set up, so it will take some adjusting.

If you're a solid technical skater, then either the 4x110 or 3x125 will be fine. Though, in a 3x125, go with a shorter length, like 12.4", as the longer frames for your given height will much harder to carve.
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