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Old May 5th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #21
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I disagree 2 points:

1) NK isn't a failed state. Propaganda states so but this is just "fake news" (c). Majority of info about DRPK comes from yellow ROK newspapers and has no connection with reality.

2) NK didn't lost the war. I remind you how Korean war went:

- War starts in the middle of peninsula, DRPK goes all the way down and (almost) drops ROK into the sea.
- US help arrives and US+ROK go all the way up to chinese border.
- Chinese help arrives and DRPK+Chinese "volunteers" move to the middle of peninsula, to the old border.
So, judging by result it is draw. Judging by army capabilities DRPK > ROK.
But, ROK makes and sells stuff, and lots of it.
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I disagree 2 points:

1) NK isn't a failed state. Propaganda states so but this is just "fake news" (c). Majority of info about DRPK comes from yellow ROK newspapers and has no connection with reality.

2) NK didn't lost the war. I remind you how Korean war went:

- War starts in the middle of peninsula, DRPK goes all the way down and (almost) drops ROK into the sea.
- US help arrives and US+ROK go all the way up to chinese border.
- Chinese help arrives and DRPK+Chinese "volunteers" move to the middle of peninsula, to the old border.
So, judging by result it is draw. Judging by army capabilities DRPK > ROK.
I disagree. That is not the war you are describing. That is a battle. After the shooting stopped, south Korea is prosperous. The North is not. It never had the potential to be prosperous. The south won, and won big. The north is just a prison for those unfortunate enough to be born there.
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Old May 6th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #23
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I disagree. That is not the war you are describing. That is a battle. After the shooting stopped, south Korea is prosperous. The North is not. It never had the potential to be prosperous. The south won, and won big. The north is just a prison for those unfortunate enough to be born there.
They say it mostly is a prison but some of the soldiers really love being soldiers.
I dont think its such a loss because at least the west doesnt control every thing.
Theres more to life than bowing down and thinking youve been rewarded more than the next guy cos hes in sheer poverty.
Tv media always says look how lucky you are on the treadmill. Your so lucky you dont live in a third world country.
funny how the development of just the stealth fighter cost could have fed the world .
Strange theres never money available to save lives but plenty to take lives.
war is population control and economy control .
I say sniper kim jung and let the rest of Nk get on with life without a federal reserve bank.
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Old May 6th, 2017, 01:18 PM   #24
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From people that have lived in these condition that I know and that are currently living to this day, they would not and do not say that they were happy there. Nga Ngwen, I worked with several years and an engineer at Igloo, Tom told me the same things about those types of government. They do not know each other. Under that type of government you don't actually own anything, the goverment(city police, cops, city leaders or whomever is an official) can do as they please. An example given by both, the officials(lowest rung and above) can show up walk onto "your property and go through your stuff, ALL AND ANYTHING you "own" and take it with out resistance from you. If you resist, you run the risk of execution. If the clothes on you back appeal to the official, the clothes will be taken too. Hide your females, they can and are "taken" if the appeal is there.
So again tell me how this is a good condition to live in...
You work hard for something only to have taken away by the local lazies... or to have your women raped and nothing can be done to stop it.
I don't think I have any want to want to live like that...
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Old May 6th, 2017, 02:08 PM   #25
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I disagree. That is not the war you are describing. That is a battle. After the shooting stopped, south Korea is prosperous. The North is not. It never had the potential to be prosperous. The south won, and won big. The north is just a prison for those unfortunate enough to be born there.
I see some propaganda influenced your opinion.

a) There is no much reliable source of information about DRPK. The only more or less reliable sources now are notes of people who visited it as tourists. I read some and found nothing speical about DRPK: just a piece of Soviet Union with some asian flavor, that's all. From my point of view, it is quite normal, apart of being demonized by world media.

b) ROK is a US "showcase country". It owes its success to US, that's not their own achievment. Soviet union had its own "showcase republics" (like Baltic republics) and the way making сertain area prosperous is elementary: give high technology/manufacturing and inject with investitions.

Perfect example of another "showcase country" is Taiwan (Republic of China). This is a small island with a bunch of chinese on it. How they became world top silicon chip manufacturer and why they aren't still captured by PRC? Local chinese suddenly became smarter than jews? Sure no, there is no magic in real world. "Someone" helped them

And finally, you have no right to determine how other countries should live.

PS blaming country not being prosperous after putting it in international isolation isn't smart
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I disagree. That is not the war you are describing. That is a battle. After the shooting stopped, south Korea is prosperous. The North is not. It never had the potential to be prosperous. The south won, and won big. The north is just a prison for those unfortunate enough to be born there.
I wonder if this is just a case of Russian MSM media slant? I like hearing from Vadim, since it gives us a different perspective. Russia may very well have their own main stream media slant on things.
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From people that have lived in these condition that I know and that are currently living to this day, they would not and do not say that they were happy there. Nga Ngwen, I worked with several years and an engineer at Igloo, Tom told me the same things about those types of government. They do not know each other. Under that type of government you don't actually own anything, the goverment(city police, cops, city leaders or whomever is an official) can do as they please. An example given by both, the officials(lowest rung and above) can show up walk onto "your property and go through your stuff, ALL AND ANYTHING you "own" and take it with out resistance from you. If you resist, you run the risk of execution. If the clothes on you back appeal to the official, the clothes will be taken too. Hide your females, they can and are "taken" if the appeal is there.
So again tell me how this is a good condition to live in...
You work hard for something only to have taken away by the local lazies... or to have your women raped and nothing can be done to stop it.
I don't think I have any want to want to live like that...
The way i see it ferociuos is
How about cleaning up your back yard first. The us govt should be concentrating on their own country.
Yep its horrible that the NK govt officials can take what they want,But what is bombing the crapp outa the place going to change about that?
So would the people of NK prefer death or what they have now?
For now they have a fighting chance of buildng a vigilante force , but when all the buildings are flat and the air is poisoned along with no food or water all they can do is attack each other.
As it is in most countrys there are criminals backed by govt and free agent criminals that can rape ,kill and steal from just about anybody they choose.
And some of them will wear a jail term like badge of honor.
Which leads me to believe the Usa govt/ military aren't hanging around NK out of the goodness of their own hearts.There has to be an advantage for the us govt to try occupy a place like NK.
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How about cleaning up your back yard first. The us govt should be concentrating on their own country.
Yep its horrible that the NK govt officials can take what they want,But what is bombing the crapp outa the place going to change about that?
So would the people of NK prefer death or what they have now?
For now they have a fighting chance of buildng a vigilante force , but when all the buildings are flat and the air is poisoned along with no food or water all they can do is attack each other.
As it is in most countrys there are criminals backed by govt and free agent criminals that can rape ,kill and steal from just about anybody they choose.
And some of them will wear a jail term like badge of honor.
Which leads me to believe the Usa govt/ military aren't hanging around NK out of the goodness of their own hearts.There has to be an advantage for the us govt to try occupy a place like NK.
Oh our back yard is plenty crappy. But we aren't going to just let someone bomb us.
There may be something to what you say about the US wanting something in NK but who knows what it is? All I can think of is selling power to those people in NK after giving them a life that they can look forward to something even remotely as good as we have. True ownership of goods and the opportunity to have their own businesses. And maybe another "cheap labor pool for overseas goods manufacturing....
We already have jobs and ownership.. that's what turns the lights on..
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Oh our back yard is plenty crappy. But we aren't going to just let someone bomb us.
There may be something to what you say about the US wanting something in NK but who knows what it is? All I can think of is selling power to those people in NK after giving them a life that they can look forward to something even remotely as good as we have. True ownership of goods and the opportunity to have their own businesses. And maybe another "cheap labor pool for overseas goods manufacturing....
We already have jobs and ownership.. that's what turns the lights on..
Govts world wide make sh1tty deals to line their pockets and keep threats to civvys alive.
Right now we have a gas shortage and another power station got shut down .we are selling our gas to overseas and our vic govt wont let us drill the massive gas resources we have between geelong and potland most of which is on open pasture land.
But hang on to that for a tik.They probably will let a gas company frak the ground causing more damage then sell that gas overseas as well .
Fu" me dead if govts arent spstic.lol
The green party wants to shut coal fire wont let us dam for hydro and are against gas turbine .guess what the govt dont like solar, tidal or wind so that leaves us with a great big nuclear waste dump north of adelaide,which the french have been nagging us for years so they can dump their toxic waste there.good i hope we have a melt down that kills every last 1 of us then we wont have to follow the d1ck head leaders that we have little choice of voting in./LOL
Any wonder most people think high education a is a farce.
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I see some propaganda influenced your opinion.

a) There is no much reliable source of information about DRPK. The only more or less reliable sources now are notes of people who visited it as tourists. I read some and found nothing speical about DRPK: just a piece of Soviet Union with some asian flavor, that's all. From my point of view, it is quite normal, apart of being demonized by world media.

b) ROK is a US "showcase country". It owes its success to US, that's not their own achievment. Soviet union had its own "showcase republics" (like Baltic republics) and the way making сertain area prosperous is elementary: give high technology/manufacturing and inject with investitions.

Perfect example of another "showcase country" is Taiwan (Republic of China). This is a small island with a bunch of chinese on it. How they became world top silicon chip manufacturer and why they aren't still captured by PRC? Local chinese suddenly became smarter than jews? Sure no, there is no magic in real world. "Someone" helped them

And finally, you have no right to determine how other countries should live.

PS blaming country not being prosperous after putting it in international isolation isn't smart
Well, rant all you want. NK LOST. They lost, lost, lost. No, they did not surrender. They get to keep their pride. They have self determination, to a degree. But at what cost? They get to shove their heads up their *ss and that is how they live. Congratulations on your "victory".

NK lost, and no amount of words will change that. And the US does not give a damn. I, as an American sure don't. We have not been sitting on the edge of our chairs for 50 years waiting for an opportunity to POUNCE on NK and destroy them. No one here goes to sleep at night worrying that we have not destroyed NK yet. That is ABSURD. Now THAT is propaganda. NK propaganda.

We don't give a rip about NK. Until they start making trouble. Then we have to pay attention. There are probably a dozen or more countries in existence right now, that most people don't even know exist, because they go about their business and don't make noise. NK would be one of these. The only reason ANYBODY in the world even know these people exist is that their leaders make noise and threaten trouble. If they blinked out of existence in 10 seconds, few would know or care.
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I wonder if this is just a case of Russian MSM media slant? I like hearing from Vadim, since it gives us a different perspective. Russia may very well have their own main stream media slant on things.
Good point. Could be residual cold war hate. I think we saw that here from old school folk in Congress when Trump said he wanted good relations with Putin and Russia. A lot of the old guard took GREAT offense to this. They are just programmed to look at Russia as an enemy, and these old dogs don't want to learn a new trick. People childishly demonize Russia for some of its' aggressive action. Bullsh*t. We do the same, but we camouflage it better. We'd do well to make friends with Russia for the next 100 years. Islam is a much bigger threat to Democracy and the Western way of life than Russia is.
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I say sniper kim jung and let the rest of Nk get on with life without a federal reserve bank.
Sniper the "Dear Leader"* and let the Koreas unite. They will function better as a whole.

* Hmm, I think Dear Leader was the last guy. I forget what the son is called.
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From people that have lived in these condition that I know and that are currently living to this day, they would not and do not say that they were happy there. Nga Ngwen, I worked with several years and an engineer at Igloo, Tom told me the same things about those types of government. They do not know each other. Under that type of government you don't actually own anything, the goverment(city police, cops, city leaders or whomever is an official) can do as they please. An example given by both, the officials(lowest rung and above) can show up walk onto "your property and go through your stuff, ALL AND ANYTHING you "own" and take it with out resistance from you. If you resist, you run the risk of execution. If the clothes on you back appeal to the official, the clothes will be taken too. Hide your females, they can and are "taken" if the appeal is there.
So again tell me how this is a good condition to live in...
You work hard for something only to have taken away by the local lazies... or to have your women raped and nothing can be done to stop it.
I don't think I have any want to want to live like that...
It's a Thug Nation. All the Bad-*ss Rappers in the world got nuthin' on them.

I saw a clip of some news show, and a guy was..... not quite praising the new leader, but giving him "some" credit for keeping things in order. I mean, he is only 26 years old. You mean there are not some old, or middle aged Generals who, with support of other Generals, could not have taken him out and taken power for themselves. It is actually a fair point. 26 year old punk, in charge of a Thug Nation. But as fierocious describes, it is thugs from the top on down. So the new young thug keeps the status quo, allows the under thugs to have their way, and their Hell On Earth keeps spinning. Lovely.
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It's a Thug Nation. All the Bad-*ss Rappers in the world got nuthin' on them.

I saw a clip of some news show, and a guy was..... not quite praising the new leader, but giving him "some" credit for keeping things in order. I mean, he is only 26 years old. You mean there are not some old, or middle aged Generals who, with support of other Generals, could not have taken him out and taken power for themselves. It is actually a fair point. 26 year old punk, in charge of a Thug Nation. But as fierocious describes, it is thugs from the top on down. So the new young thug keeps the status quo, allows the under thugs to have their way, and their Hell On Earth keeps spinning. Lovely.
That's just one example of the thug nations. I haven't seen a friend of mine for many years but he was from Iran. Nicest guy you ever want to hang out with. He is a computer programmer. Writes code and does a lot of GUI work. He hates religion as in his world, it is used for an excuse to do as you please to take out opposition if anyone stands in the way of you getting your way. He said things in Iran were not always like that, it had slowly changed and the "leaders" used religion to execute opponents and take more power. No one dare go against the "religious leader" for fear of dying trying. So they run away or die if something comes up. In the organization of "religion" there to move up the person ahead of you has to die, then you take their place. So you have the guy ahead knocked off or someone else kills them during their service and you move up. But you always got to look around and asses you situation as someone below you is trying to get your spot too. A friend of Reza's was part of the organization by blood kin and stood to move up in due time. He did not want any part of it, so he left and Reza left Iran too. It was too dangerous to get involved in their "religion".
I have lost contact with Reza over the years. He believes religion is the cause of the worlds troubles. In some cases I can see that point of view. In some countries that point of view is solid as concrete and has deadly consequences if you arn't looking over your shoulders all the time.
Religion in the US does not go to the extreme measures of murder to promote one's self to a higher level of living, at least not on the scale of the middle east. You can't go out and say, "he sinned!!" and then have a person shot, beheaded or thrown of a building for being gay. That just don't work over here, I hope it never gets a hold over here. We don't need it.
Over the years i have had lots of conversations with people from other countries(outside North America) just to learn a bit about what the rest of the world is like. I try to have several views of the same area from people that do not know each other as well.

The rappers... LOL... a bunch of funky chickens doing a dance(sorta like peacocks) to try to impress but have no idea what the real thugs are like. Osama bin laden was connected... in ways the rappers can't comprehend.

The son's of Saddam Hussein were the top of the heap, wouldn't even take time to look at a rapper... Those guys were bad to the bone. People in the US want to impress, over there, a person in their shoes would have a very different viewpoint. For one, they are totally in power under their father. If they want something all they have to do is go and find it. Saddam has the last say and would not do anything to hurt his sons or stop them either. One of them was injured, I forget how and he changed a bit and was somewhat darker in his pursuits. If they saw something and wanted it, they took it. People didn't go around there screaming and hollering, yea victory or some crap like that because you did something and got away with it. People ran in fear and kept a low profile if the sons or anyone known to be connected with them came into town or view. The people never knew what they were going to be hunting next but were determined to not be a part of it. They damaged and killed by one way or the other many people. They were not about showing off, that was a waste of time, get what you want and move on to the next thrill. Caring what others think never entered their corrupt little minds.
Money and power corrupt people if they can't use reasoning to prevent the corruption. Some people can handle it and some can't. It's like becoming rich over night, not many people can hang on to the money, it gets BLOWN!
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He believes religion is the cause of the worlds troubles. In some cases I can see that point of view. In some countries that point of view is solid as concrete and has deadly consequences if you arn't looking over your shoulders all the time.
Power is what gets abused. And if religion is a means to power, then yeah, religion it can cause trouble. Ambitious, often rich, *ssholes will use WHATEVER to get and hold power. Religion, and/or oppressive regimes offer small cretins an opportunity for power as well. I remember a news story about the Taliban. Forget what country. They had the floggers roaming around. (not the correct term, don't remember what it was) They would roam around and whip people for nonsensical violations of Islam. I remember there was a guy at a soccer match. And any time someone cheered, he would go give them a few whacks as cheering was somehow bad. Can you imagine being that loser. Can you imagine the sick mindset behind liking to go around whacking people for Allah? Crazy.
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