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Old July 7th, 2019, 11:34 PM   #21
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The world is a bunch of perspectives, the OP can choose whatever they want.
Correct, and unless I misread something, the op is in his happy place already.
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Old July 8th, 2019, 12:11 AM   #22
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Correct, and unless I misread something, the op is in his happy place already.
Just moved the plate once so far. Hopefully experiments, and finds what's best.
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Old July 10th, 2019, 09:38 AM   #23
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Just moved the plate once so far. Hopefully experiments, and finds what's best.
Hi Mort, you mentioned a short forward mount a few times, just to clarify thats what I initially set up, it's a slight short plate for my foot size (probably 10-15mm shorter than "Standard") and I originally set it up short forward, but found I was overbalancing backwards as the rear wheels were ahead of my heel pressure point.

I've move the plate back so not the rear wheels are under my heel pressure point, and the front wheels broadly under the ball of my foot. I think they call this an 'agility' mount.

Totally accept your point that most of performance is down to the ability of the skater rather than the set up, I'm just trying to find the best set up which will also help my skating, which is basic artistic/freestyle.
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Old July 10th, 2019, 01:23 PM   #24
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Hi Mort, you mentioned a short forward mount a few times, just to clarify thats what I initially set up, it's a slight short plate for my foot size (probably 10-15mm shorter than "Standard") and I originally set it up short forward, but found I was overbalancing backwards as the rear wheels were ahead of my heel pressure point.

I've move the plate back so not the rear wheels are under my heel pressure point, and the front wheels broadly under the ball of my foot. I think they call this an 'agility' mount.

Totally accept your point that most of performance is down to the ability of the skater rather than the set up, I'm just trying to find the best set up which will also help my skating, which is basic artistic/freestyle.
Cool.

Personally my front axle location is preferred under my toes, about where one would grab a pencil with their feet, with the rear under the heel. My skates will stand up if placed with the heel down. Most SF mounts will not.

My preference is not so good for spins as it is top speed, when my athletic prowess goes down in 20 years, I may use a shorter plate, who knows.
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Old July 10th, 2019, 02:37 PM   #25
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My preference is not so good for spins as it is top speed, when my athletic prowess goes down in 20 years, I may use a shorter plate, who knows.
I think my athletic prowess is already on a fast downward curve. I'm hoping my skating skill set continues to increase to offset this

If I have a standard sized plate I think it would push my font wheels nearer to where yours are located. I've got a pair of 'outdoor' skates I might experiment with a longer plate to see the difference (and avoid making the sole of my 120 boots like swiss cheese!)
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Old July 13th, 2019, 08:21 AM   #26
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Also I'm not a fan of bont soles. Too stiff. That's good for racing, but session or all purpose skating, leather is far better, it allows for much easier slide control...But people hardcore push bont, my session skates dont grip as well as when I put on my redline boot or the bont I tried on them, but the control I have is insane in my vanilla.
Mort, what Vanilla skate you roll? Do you have picture to post?
I'm just curious.
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Old July 13th, 2019, 02:28 PM   #27
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Cool.

Personally my front axle location is preferred under my toes, about where one would grab a pencil with their feet, with the rear under the heel. My skates will stand up if placed with the heel down. Most SF mounts will not.

My preference is not so good for spins as it is top speed, when my athletic prowess goes down in 20 years, I may use a shorter plate, who knows.
Ill second your mounting. I moved my boots all over the place in the past but your mounting ideas and mine are almost identical. I love a stable fun length of plate. You seem to have more energy at the end of the session because you aren't having to pay so much attention to "staying on top" of a small balance area/patch. Just so much more fun.
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Old July 14th, 2019, 04:12 AM   #28
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Mort, what Vanilla skate you roll? Do you have picture to post?
I'm just curious.
I use a Vanilla freestyle.



The wheels pictured here are 7040mm 78A Hebegb Monsters
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Old July 14th, 2019, 07:35 AM   #29
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Old July 14th, 2019, 09:42 AM   #30
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Gotta be careful that's for sure.
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Old July 18th, 2019, 08:46 AM   #31
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Says the Boen skater
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Old July 18th, 2019, 07:16 PM   #32
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Says the Boen skater
Boen = hella over rated that's for sure.
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Old July 18th, 2019, 09:06 PM   #33
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Lol.
Says the Arius skater.
You show me a plate that's as light and as strong and I will take note.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 08:28 AM   #34
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Lol.
Says the Arius skater.
You show me a plate that's as light and as strong and I will take note.
What's a 186mm axle spread boen weigh? Or something like it with a toestop boss even. I could likely cut off the boss on an arius and drop its weight below a boen easily.

A Red Arius sits at around 350 grams WITH a toestop boss, with 8mm chromoly axles, and a very rigid truck assembly that can turn. I'll never have to worry about breaking an axis pin vs traditional plates breaking kingpins.

If I put in TI axles instead, even 8mm ones, I'd have the plate down to like 310g WITH a toestop boss.

The power transfer is better in an arius due to the push force not being bushed by urethane/rubber. It's a hinge assembly that has its turning resisted by the cushions, so power input/output is much better as well as more precise.

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1 BOEN SPEED plate Size 8 - 172mm = 340 grams or 11.99 ounces

Boen Speed, Size 5 (148mm): 286g 10.1 oz

18 grams per plate size, and 8mm wheelbase for each size would take the boen to 188mm if they even made a size 10 and about 356g . Correct me if I'm wrong. But that's without a stopper boss while using 7mm clip axles.
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Common problems with An Arius.

Breaking......

Common problem with Boen..

None.
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Common problems with An Arius.

Breaking......

Common problem with Boen..

None.
Only the toestop boss. Only in derby. Where people have broken prolines even.

Boen parts do break too. Dont act like they don't lol.
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Old July 20th, 2019, 09:31 AM   #37
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No they don't.
Not a common problem.
Cracked trucks yeah most I have seen .The odd broken kingpin.
Roll pins on flip axels coming out.
All those are common to all plate company's.
And the cracked trucks are still usable.
And in my opinion are hairline cracks from the factory.
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Old July 20th, 2019, 11:35 PM   #38
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No they don't.
Not a common problem.
Cracked trucks yeah most I have seen .The odd broken kingpin.
Roll pins on flip axels coming out.
All those are common to all plate company's.
And the cracked trucks are still usable.
And in my opinion are hairline cracks from the factory.
You just outlined more problems than I have experienced with an arius. Ever. Or will.

I wore some of my components out long ago. And came up with a fix for it, now theres 0 issues.

Il never break an axis pin. I won't break my trucks, at most, I'll need new shims/cushions and axis pin sleeves. Maybe in 15 years I might need a new axis pin. Lol
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Old July 21st, 2019, 01:52 AM   #39
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Ever seen a broken Boen plate.? No

Ever seen a broken Boen truck? No cracked yes still usable

Ever seen a broken Arius ? Yes

Boen built and designed 30 years ago.Still the best.

Arius built and designed 5 years ago...Not much interest..

Actually I think the Italians designed it in the 80s but drppped it.
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Ever seen a broken Boen plate.? No

Ever seen a broken Boen truck? No cracked yes still usable

Ever seen a broken Arius ? Yes

Boen built and designed 30 years ago.Still the best.

Arius built and designed 5 years ago...Not much interest..

Actually I think the Italians designed it in the 80s but drppped it.
Dont be salty cause an arius takes a dump on boens bro.

Their kingpins break and a cracked truck will inevitably fail as well, it's just when.

Arius has plenty of interest, many people use them. Hell, like 8 of us in my 1 rink use that plate. 0 issues . We dont use toestops so the breaks that have occurred will not happen to us.
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