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Old April 10th, 2019, 05:09 AM   #1
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Default Are skate boots better than shoes?

Is there anything about skate boots in general that make them inherently superior to a quality shoe? I watched the How It's Made video on skates and was surprised to see it's just a simple boot.
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Old April 10th, 2019, 05:32 AM   #2
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In a word, yes. Though some do well with a dress shoe, or a tennis shoe.

What you don't see is that the sole of a skate boot is pretty stiff. And this is good for skating. A GOOD boot, particularly a true speed boot is built to take the stress and strain of skating hard.

The kings of the stiff sole, are fiberglass or carbon fiber soled boots, like the Bont. These boot soles are so stiff, that they can be used with a nylon plate, and actually make the plate stiffer. A nylon plate on a regular leather, or plastic soled boot can actually flex, despite the relatively stiff skate boot sole. This is why a metal plate is considered a step up from nylon, no flex, and of course a light metal plate is a step up from a heavier metal plate.
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Old April 10th, 2019, 05:42 AM   #3
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Is it the relative stiffness of the sole that makes a dress shoe work well as a skate (ignoring comfort)?
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Old April 10th, 2019, 07:15 AM   #4
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Is it the relative stiffness of the sole that makes a dress shoe work well as a skate (ignoring comfort)?
You pretty much could not, or would not want, to walk in a skate boot. That is how stiff they are. Folks who use a dress shoe are skating a style of skating that is not as taxing on the shoe. A dress shoe would not likely make a good speed boot. But for a less stressful kind of skating, it can, and does work.
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Old April 10th, 2019, 07:27 AM   #5
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Is it the relative stiffness of the sole that makes a dress shoe work well as a skate (ignoring comfort)?
A stiff sole is only one part of what makes a skate boot. Most non-athletic footwear isn't designed for lateral forces. They are designed for the compression of walking. As a side note, apparently some athletic footwear has an issue in the lateral force department: Zion Williamson's injury from rare shoe failure puts spotlight on Nike. The forces can be significant.

Skate boots are designed with counters to keep the lateral forces in check. These stiff pieces strengthen the sides so they don't move over the edge of the sole over time. The more modern fiberglass and carbon fiber footbeds of better boots form a fairly complete cup around your foot. Boots constructed like this stay stable in size for years since the foot isn't pushing against a stretchable material like leather.

In short, if you want novelty or to make a fashion statement then using a non-skate specific shoe/boot is fine. OTOH if you want performance get a shoe designed for the sport. That is pretty much true across athletic endeavors.

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Old April 22nd, 2019, 05:01 AM   #6
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Is there anything about skate boots in general that make them inherently superior to a quality shoe?
I am voting with the "YES" crowd here. Although I have experience skating in sneakers and hiking style boots on quads (sneakers) and inline skates (hiking boots) and my feet did just fine even over distances of 20 miles and rink time up to 3 hours.

Now that I am regularly skating marathons or skate sessions up to 50km (even 50 miles on rare occasions) I have a much better appreciation for fine boots designed for skating.

IMO (and with MY feet)...up to 15 mile sessions you may be happy with almost anything. Over 15 miles, get a skate boot.

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I vote for skate boots for all the reasons listed above, e.g., rigid sole, counter supports, purpose-built for lateral strain, and tougher material. And I would say give you better control.

I have skated in tennis shoes, work boots, running shoes, and flip-flops. On most of these I had inserted a rigid piece of sheet aluminum between the shoe and the plate to stiffen things up. That gave me better power transfer to the wheels and more responsive steering when I leaned on them. But they all lacked any lateral support and would allow my feet to move slightly from side-to-side. I had to adjust my form/style for these shortcomings. And for the most part they died pretty fast, either by blowing out seams or wearing holes in the tops and sides. Still, they were fun to skate in and, of course, they looked bitchin’.

There was a guy in this form named Armadillo who claimed to have a lot of success with mounting soccer shoes on his skates. Soccer shoes are light weight (his main goal, I think), built to withstand lateral forces, and relatively inexpensive. But he once lamented that they wore out much faster than skate boots.
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Old April 26th, 2019, 06:17 AM   #8
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There was a guy in this form named Armadillo who claimed to have a lot of success with mounting soccer shoes on his skates. Soccer shoes are light weight (his main goal, I think), built to withstand lateral forces, and relatively inexpensive. But he once lamented that they wore out much faster than skate boots.
I had thought to mention soccer cleats too. A bit tougher, but I seem to recall instances of them only lasting a year or two. I think they are still a bit lacking in lateral support and strength. I have no experience with them, just what I read.
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Old April 27th, 2019, 04:04 AM   #9
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Default its a yes from me also ,your through to the finals.lol

most skate boots are heavier than the comparative soccer boot.
most skate boots last 20+ times longer.
a good quality leather skate boot is also much more expensive.
i use soccer boots at around $49 a pair but they only last 2-3 years maximum.
if money was no object i would fork out $400ish for leather altamuras .
10 times the price for 20 times the value.
there are some hard core skaters out there that skate 3+ times a week and that's their main hobby.
for the hard cores it would really be a waste of time and money using soccer boots.
and theres the resale value.some used oberhammers ,altas etc fetch $200.
a used soccer boot is worthless.
soccer boots just look low class.
dirt bikin is my main hobby and i can buy 4 tyres of my choice for the price of a pair of skateboots.
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most skate boots are heavier than the comparative soccer boot.
most skate boots last 20+ times longer.
a good quality leather skate boot is also much more expensive.
i use soccer boots at around $49 a pair but they only last 2-3 years maximum.
if money was no object i would fork out $400ish for leather altamuras .
10 times the price for 20 times the value.
there are some hard core skaters out there that skate 3+ times a week and that's their main hobby.
for the hard cores it would really be a waste of time and money using soccer boots.
and theres the resale value.some used oberhammers ,altas etc fetch $200.
a used soccer boot is worthless.
soccer boots just look low class.
dirt bikin is my main hobby and i can buy 4 tyres of my choice for the price of a pair of skateboots.
Yeah.... Finals babeeee
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