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Old July 2nd, 2019, 10:50 PM   #1
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Default A few adjustments, new bearings/wheels and wow!

I fitted a Falcon F-16 plate to my Ridell 120 boot a few weeks back, and it bothered me that when I looked at other peoples skates at the rink and in pictures, the rear wheels were further back than mine.Whilst trying to get the front wheels just ahead of the ball of my foot I'd mounted the whole plate forward.

Long story short, 6 new holes and 1 inch backward later, new plate mount. Tried it out tonight with some new wheels (Bones Art Elite 101A) and new bearings (Qube 8 ball) and wow! What a difference.

Probably all the different parts had an effect. Balance felt so much better (well, after I stopped falling forwards instead of backwards!), and those bearings are brilliant, light push and I roll right down the rink. Harder wheels helped with the manourvering and I didn't notice any adverse slipping when accelerating hard - brilliant.

Confidence was low due to a knee injury, but after 30 minutes I was back to my level (admittedly not very high) but everything felt smoother and more comfortable. Can't wait for my next session to try a couple of new things (left backwards 3 turns - not yet got the hand of the inside or outside edge so they will top the list for now).
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Old July 2nd, 2019, 11:19 PM   #2
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And now your just like everyone else.
Should of left it forward..
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Old July 3rd, 2019, 11:45 AM   #3
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And now your just like everyone else.
Should of left it forward..
But is there a reason everyone else has the rear axle under the heel? For me it improved my balance, before the change I was falling backwards too much.

For a session/basic art skater, why would I want a short forward mount?

(And I didnít fill the old holes so can move it forward again any time)
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Old July 3rd, 2019, 03:51 PM   #4
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But is there a reason everyone else has the rear axle under the heel?
If you look closer you will see that their plate goes almost from toe to heel. It's the only way most of those plates could be mounted.

OTOH if your plate is shorter than the length of the boot sole it more important that you locate the front axle in a bio-mechanically optimal location.


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For me it improved my balance, before the change I was falling backwards too much.
That is because you have bad form.

There are no extra points awarded for standing up straight when on skates. Quad skates work better with more weight on the front wheels than back which dictates a slightly forward leaning athletic stance. Kind of like running. You can't run well on your heels.


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For a session/basic art skater, why would I want a short forward mount?
Because it's more fun. A shorter wheelbase gives more tuning ability, think Mini vs F150.

If you want to have a plate pushed back all the way to the heel you likely need a longer plate. However there are few here that have found that as fun. As Doc says "you can learn to skate anything". In my opinion there is much fun to be found with a shorter, more responsive, wheelbase. There is a mechanical reason that front axle placement should be where you can get maximum big toe push. Falling down a few times until you get the hang of how your body was designed to function isn't the worst thing in the world.

This forum use to be more thoughtful. For an example a wonderful post by Gle8 Show your work. Worth a read.

Above all have fun!


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Old July 3rd, 2019, 11:51 PM   #5
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If you look closer you will see that their plate goes almost from toe to heel. It's the only way most of those plates could be mounted.
Have looked closely, why do you think I changed my plate position?

I'm interested how you know what I'm seeing and whether I'm seeing a "Standard"mount with the wheels outside the pressure points. I'm definitely seeing the majority of skaters with rear wheels directly under the heel pressure point. I see a variety of forward wheel positions from agility mount to in front of the forward pressure point. Please don't make assumptions about what I'm looking at or seeing.
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That is because you have bad form.
With the best will in the world, how do you know whether I have bad form or not without seeing me skate?

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There are no extra points awarded for standing up straight when on skates. Quad skates work better with more weight on the front wheels than back which dictates a slightly forward leaning athletic stance. Kind of like running. You can't run well on your heels.
Now I've already indicated I have a short plate, and it was too far forward of both my heels and my toe. There is now a better balance with wheels more accurately located below the heel and ball of my foot


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Because it's more fun. A shorter wheelbase gives more tuning ability, think Mini vs F150.
I know this, which is why I bought a relatively short plate in the first place. Why am I getting so much criticism and being treated like an idiot for highlighting how I've changed the position of my plate and am seeing better results?
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If you want to have a plate pushed back all the way to the heel you likely need a longer plate.
Why - you can have a plate with the rear wheels under your heel and still have a shorter plate with the front under the ball of your foot. This is still a short plate to aid turning and dance moves.


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This forum use to be more thoughtful. For an example a wonderful post by Gle8 Show your work. Worth a read.
I had a good read of this, my set up is pretty mochas advised. When I said I moved my rear wheels back, that was from a short forward mount to what he calls the agility mount. Still shorter than the standard amount giving me good manoeuvrability.

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Above all have fun!
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I try to, that was the point of my post. I changed a couple of things and found I had more fun. What is so wrong with that such that it appears attract criticism of my skating or what I've done?

I agree there are a zillion different ways to mount skates and a zillion different opinions which is best and I respect each and every one of them. I'm always happy to take suggestions but not so much on people making assumptions about my skating and what works for me.

But as you said, have fun.
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Old July 4th, 2019, 06:54 AM   #6
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