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Old August 24th, 2019, 11:30 PM   #41
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Background checks for what, exactly? If they are a convicted felon, they have been stripped of their right to own a firearm by law. Almost none of the mass murders in the USA lately were committed by felons. So every one of those killers would likely have passed a background check.

Why should we all give up our legal rights to privacy from our government's prying eyes for a moot point? Rights were hard fought to acquire. Most Americans should be reluctant to just give any of them up, especially with the state of our government right now. Would you trust the US Government right now? Or ever?

This is why we don't have background checks right now. It is illegal under the constitution, or at least alluded to. So this needs new language in order to infringe on individual privacy.

Article [IV] (Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


So basically, in order for someone to issue a background check on YOU, they are forbidden by the constitution to do this without your express permission. Like when I started a new job with the state recently. They had to ASK my permission to do a background check on me. This is a good thing. A retail store has no right to even ask your permission for a check before you make a purchase of ANYTHING.

I am not saying that background checks for military weapons purchases are a bad idea. I am saying that it is illegal at the current time. It takes an act of Congress to change a law which keeps a President from making dictatorial decisions that affect all of us. Congress represents We The People and are required to do our bidding after we elect them. Or they lose their jobs in the next election. More than half out states are conservative or leaning that way, so changing the gun laws is not a simple task. Thankfully.

It is annoying when well meaning people make statements based on ignorance of United States Civics and law. Just because a FEW people want something does not mean it will ever get done. But politicians will make rash promises to get our votes. It is up to US to check them out for truth. So far as Democrats go, Bernie Sanders is the only one who has not lied to us about gun laws. He said simply "let the individual states decide". Smart man. Everyone else is a liar or ignorant.

On the other side of the isle, Republican William Weld is telling the truth about gun laws. Everyone else is trying to fool us. Again.

Sorry for the long post. School education takes a long time. I hope you read every word.
You misunderstand, as you point out there is nothing illegal about a background check if you consent. Easy to make the law to obtain a firearm you consent to a background check, don't consent, no firearm. This is not against the second amendment or the 4th, you still have a right to bear arms and a right to privacy, you have to choose how to exercise those rights.
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Old August 25th, 2019, 05:14 PM   #42
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You misunderstand, as you point out there is nothing illegal about a background check if you consent. Easy to make the law to obtain a firearm you consent to a background check, don't consent, no firearm. This is not against the second amendment or the 4th, you still have a right to bear arms and a right to privacy, you have to choose how to exercise those rights.
Sounds good. But untrue. As you will see, nothing will happen with the gun issue unless we get a super liberal Supreme Court and the Dems control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Even then it is unlikely IMO.
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Old August 25th, 2019, 07:44 PM   #43
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Sounds good. But untrue. As you will see, nothing will happen with the gun issue unless we get a super liberal Supreme Court and the Dems control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Even then it is unlikely IMO.
Before the NRA got caught with it's hand in Russia's pocket https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ey-guns-516804
that was true, but now the NRA is getting disassembled, it's influence over congress will soon be moot.
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Old August 26th, 2019, 02:16 AM   #44
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Before the NRA got caught with it's hand in Russia's pocket https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ey-guns-516804
that was true, but now the NRA is getting disassembled, it's influence over congress will soon be moot.
The voters still control Congress. Any red state representative worried about their re-election must obey the people who voted them in. Other organizations will take the place of the NRA. Social media groups are killing the NRA as much as anything. Nobody needs an official organization who communicates one-way with it's members. Now the com is two-way interactive on Facebook groups and similar places.

The Supreme Court justices are appointed for life and don't cowtow to voters. As long as they are conservative, and even if not, they will interpret the Constitution correctly and SHALL NOT INFRINGE on the MILITIA of the populace to own military style, or any other style, of weapon. It is pretty clear really. And the people having power to overthrow a corrupt government is the whole point of the "right to bear Arms". The words are there for anyone to read. Hunting and target shooting have nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. It gives us the power to protect ourselves (and our rights) from foreign armies, or our own army if need be.
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Old August 26th, 2019, 11:38 AM   #45
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The voters still control Congress. Any red state representative worried about their re-election must obey the people who voted them in. Other organizations will take the place of the NRA. Social media groups are killing the NRA as much as anything. Nobody needs an official organization who communicates one-way with it's members. Now the com is two-way interactive on Facebook groups and similar places.

92% of the voting public wants background checks, the voters.

Congress....The house already voted to apply background checks, the Senate is not subject to the people, it's gone to ground, it's led by a Russian Trump Type and as soon as he's gone the Senate will vote to endorse background checks.


The Supreme Court justices are appointed for life and don't cowtow to voters. As long as they are conservative, and even if not, they will interpret the Constitution correctly and SHALL NOT INFRINGE on the MILITIA of the populace to own military style, or any other style, of weapon. It is pretty clear really. And the people having power to overthrow a corrupt government is the whole point of the "right to bear Arms". The words are there for anyone to read. Hunting and target shooting have nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. It gives us the power to protect ourselves (and our rights) from foreign armies, or our own army if need be.
Your interpretation of the 2nd amendment may not be precisely legal, nevertheless, there will be articles made to the 2nd amendment in the near future, leaving assault weapons in the hands of john q public is insane.
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It's what communists want, a populace that is unarmed. SOP for dims, except populace doesn't mean themselves of course...
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Old August 26th, 2019, 01:46 PM   #47
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It's what communists want, a populace that is unarmed. SOP for dims, except populace doesn't mean themselves of course...

You're an idiot using spurious examples.

Look at the majority of Western European democracies. There is not widespread gun ownership, neither is there tyranny of Government. You clearly have not understanding of how you prove cause and effect and are wedded to the idea of cherry picking whatever supports your intended answer. This is known in science as lying.
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Old August 26th, 2019, 05:25 PM   #48
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We most likely would have been forcibly disarmed or civil war would have already be going on. Gun and ammo sales records were set by bozo administration for a reason. Thanks to Trump, things settled down.
All those crazy commies in my above post were very successful in carrying out their murders... fact or fiction?
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Old August 26th, 2019, 10:33 PM   #49
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Look at the majority of Western European democracies. There is not widespread gun ownership, neither is there tyranny of Government.
France is getting pretty tyrannical.
Only an unjust Government need fear an armed population.

And just for a change of pace, let's just throw out all arguments and look at ONE thing.
Here in the US, we were armed, and it delivered us out from the boot of tyranny. If it happened once, it could happen again. Best to be prepared. So we'll stay armed FOREVER just for old times sake.
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France is getting pretty tyrannical.
Only an unjust Government need fear an armed population.

And just for a change of pace, let's just throw out all arguments and look at ONE thing.
Here in the US, we were armed, and it delivered us out from the boot of tyranny. If it happened once, it could happen again. Best to be prepared. So we'll stay armed FOREVER just for old times sake.
Besides, we got rid of our tyrants about 200 years ago.... kicked their a s s and sent them packing.... back across the pond..
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France is getting pretty tyrannical.
Only an unjust Government need fear an armed population.

And just for a change of pace, let's just throw out all arguments and look at ONE thing.
Here in the US, we were armed, and it delivered us out from the boot of tyranny. If it happened once, it could happen again. Best to be prepared. So we'll stay armed FOREVER just for old times sake.
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Besides, we got rid of our tyrants about 200 years ago.... kicked their a s s and sent them packing.... back across the pond..
How ironic.

Trump is the Tyrannical Despot, the tyranny is being imposed on US citizens and any humans seeking legal immigration, it's very sad you two morons don't understand what every five year old easily comprehends, go find one and ask them, err', not one that you know, if they've ever listened to a word you've said they may already be infected.

Blaming British policy on the British People is akin to blaming WW2 on the German and Japanese people, Hitler was a phenomenon that was created by economic circumstances, well, Trump is 50% of the way to becoming another Hitler.

Whatever happened to all of Hitler's enablers?

Oh' Right, they were executed, well, thing's are certainly looking good for the Trumpettes.

Won't it be fun fleeing for your life and never stopping until you're caught.
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Sounds good. But untrue. As you will see, nothing will happen with the gun issue unless we get a super liberal Supreme Court and the Dems control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Even then it is unlikely IMO.
You're mixing up truth with likelihood. Something can be true (you could mandate background checks without breaching the second amendment) whilst still being unlikely (I agree this is highly unlikely to make it through both Houses at this time).

So the statement is true, it's chance of adoption is low.
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France is getting pretty tyrannical.
Only an unjust Government need fear an armed population.

And just for a change of pace, let's just throw out all arguments and look at ONE thing.
Here in the US, we were armed, and it delivered us out from the boot of tyranny. If it happened once, it could happen again. Best to be prepared. So we'll stay armed FOREVER just for old times sake.
Just how is France tyrannical? There maybe some policies that are not supported by all the people, but this is the same of most government. How exactly would the French Government meet the definition of being tyrannical towards French people? (and don't quote laws you don't agree with - tyranny means a cruel or oppressive government)

Maybe this will be the one time you actually provide some evidence to support your statements but I'm not holding my breath.
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I'm betting the closer we get to the election, the more weapons will sell again. Never know if the corrupt left will win or not but being prepared is what it is about.
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What more can you do to cause hate and disruption?

You Racist.
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most likely I got called a racist LOL

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Standard issue response from racists.... for all occasions and all replies... Nothing ever changes... Coming from them, I guess I should wear it like a badge since they really have no idea what it really means..
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I'm betting the closer we get to the election, the more weapons will sell again. Never know if the corrupt left will win or not but being prepared is what it is about.
So what do you call the LA riots? You are clearly very stupid if you think social disorder only occurs in countries with gun restrictions.

In the picture, the people are unarmed yet the police are armed, yet still unrest is possible. Hmmmmmm
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Just a unicorn...

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Just how is France tyrannical? There maybe some policies that are not supported by all the people, but this is the same of most government. How exactly would the French Government meet the definition of being tyrannical towards French people? (and don't quote laws you don't agree with - tyranny means a cruel or oppressive government)

Maybe this will be the one time you actually provide some evidence to support your statements but I'm not holding my breath.
As expected, question ignored, stupid pictures representing nothing posted instead. Not exactly debating champion material are you?
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You're an idiot using spurious examples.

Look at the majority of Western European democracies. There is not widespread gun ownership, neither is there tyranny of Government. You clearly have not understanding of how you prove cause and effect and are wedded to the idea of cherry picking whatever supports your intended answer. This is known in science as lying.
https://www.infowars.com/the-united-...llian-tyranny/
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The United States is in fact an Orwellian Tyranny that merely chooses not to implement full tyrannical measures. It only makes this decision because it does not yet have sufficient power to completely control the masses, i.e. we have not been made sufficiently docile, nor sufficiently dumbed down, fattened, sickened, and disarmed. When the government does have that power, and it will soon enough, it may then be too late to effectively resist.

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The Wounded Knee Massacre (also called the Battle of Wounded Knee) was a domestic massacre of several hundred Lakota Indians, mostly women and children, by soldiers of the United States Army. It occurred on December 29, 1890,[5] near Wounded Knee Creek (Lakota: Čhaŋkpé Ópi Wakpála) on the Lakota Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in the U.S. state of South Dakota, following a botched attempt to disarm the Lakota camp.

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Two decades later, some of the Branch Davidians who survived the raid are still believers, while a new church group has moved onto the land.
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