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Old October 7th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #41
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Lastly, most of the many of the serious skaters i know are super dedicated, and love the sport. Many of them will help this sport by coaching or hosting websites, participating on local/regional/national teams, etc. But again, i think this is secondary, and what makes them a serious skater is that they train and they race.
I think it is rather limiting to look only at sports.

People can be extremely serious about something even if they don't compete.
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Old October 7th, 2012, 07:59 PM   #42
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I think it is rather limiting to look only at sports.

People can be extremely serious about something even if they don't compete.
That may be true for some things, but i question how true it is for speed skating, which i admittedly am confining my comments to.
For speed skating, it really doesn't have much meaning if you don't compete. For the most part, with very few exceptions, speed only has value in and of itself if you are time trialing. And that is like 5% of the sport, nothing more. Speed in inline speed skating is emersed in the pack dynamic, race tactics, race strategy, drafting, passing, breaking away to maximize your advantage, etc. In a nutshell, well, that is what's in the speed skating nutshell and you don't get those parts of speedskating without racing the field.
Admittedly, that is just speaking for speed skating. NOt trying to speak about anything else beyond speed skating, and other types of skaters are just as serious about what they do, i am sure.
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Old October 7th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #43
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That may be true for some things, but i question how true it is for speed skating, which i admittedly am confining my comments to.
For speed skating, it really doesn't have much meaning if you don't compete.
Yes, except that you forgot to mention that when you posted your list :-)

I think we lack a term for people who skate on speed skates, but don't compete. Speed skates are ideal for covering large distances, which lots of people enjoy doing. But that doesn't imply that want to compete.

Technically, those people are recreational skaters. But you don't organize 100 mile (or 24 hour) events for rec skaters.

Maybe tour skating?
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Old October 7th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #44
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Yes, except that you forgot to mention that when you posted your list :-)

I think we lack a term for people who skate on speed skates, but don't compete. Speed skates are ideal for covering large distances, which lots of people enjoy doing. But that doesn't imply that want to compete.

Technically, those people are recreational skaters. But you don't organize 100 mile (or 24 hour) events for rec skaters.

Maybe tour skating?
Those folks are just as serious about speed skating as any others IMO. Call them speed skaters. Let's not be elitists.
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Old October 7th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #45
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i do call them speed skaters. In a general sense of the term. But it's kind of hard to distinguish them as 'serious' speedskaters if they don't engage in the pack aspect of the sport, and if they engage in pack skating, well, we all know where that leads

And if you read my post, you will see that i was talking about 'the most' serious of the group.

phicoh, good point about how i failed to mention speedksaters specifically in the original sport. I just didn't think it all the way through, and with the comments that followed, i see the failing in that omission.

But i think we are missing my original point, (which was not to start some kind of hierarchy of skate holiness. LOL.) The point was to suggest that a lot of very seious speedksaters don't do the things that the original poster was claiming serious skaters do, like skate all the time, fiddle endlessly with their equipment, own mutiple set, etc.
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Old October 7th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #46
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i do call them speed skaters. In a general sense of the term. But it's kind of hard to distinguish them as 'serious' speedskaters if they don't engage in the pack aspect of the sport, and if they engage in pack skating, well, we all know where that leads
I think the pack part is a bit arbitrary. 10k ice speed skating doesn't involve any kind of pack skating, but I would call that serious speed skating.

I like the battle against the elements, so I'd like to see way more time trials on road courses.

Probably not going to happen. Fortunately, there is still the Ironman triathlon :-)
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Old October 8th, 2012, 05:49 AM   #47
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Putting wheels on your feet and going in circles or down a trail is pretty serious stuff if you think about it. Packing at speed, doing jumps or dancing while on wheels is awesome. I have always approached skating from a fitness perspective appreciating its calorie burning and balance enhancing qualities. I like speed for the rush, the natural fatigue from going distance and the satisfaction of being out there. Maintaining the skates, cleaning the bearings, rotating the wheels and upgrading the gear always gives me pleasure. The anticipation when you put new wheels or bearings in would seem insane to someone outside the sport, but within the sport the serious skaters know exactly what I mean. Being a fitness skater allows me to see folks who dance, speed skate or other parts of skating with appreciation of their skills. Even ice skating sports can be appreciated because I do something similar. Still skating is not all consuming as I like to lift weights, (not to be like Arnold), for strength, ride a bicycle, (Not like Lance), for fitness and skate for fun. My fitness is serious to me and it is the sum total of who I am and what I do. Just some thoughts....Nothing intense....
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Old October 10th, 2012, 04:49 AM   #48
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Hi everyone!! I felt I could really relate to this topic and so I shall break my first post on this one Being a lurker on these forums for about a year now (around the same time I picked up the sport..and yes I seriously consider skating a sport) and I can safely say everyone here has great respect and passion for skating and appreciation for its many forms.

I share motosk8ter's view on this one. Awesome write up bro. I too skate for fitness (on inline skates) and can relate to everything motosk8ter has written. I make it a point to know my skates inside out. Not so much to fiddle with it but to understand and appreciate the sum of every part. A sense of ownership in knowing you can take care of your own skates without paying others to do it for you. In fact, I would sometimes volunteer to check out my friends' skates.

To sum up what others have already written, I would say a serious skater is one who portrays a very high level of passion for the sport. In other words, his/her attitude. As Armadillo would say, a person who is recognised and described by others in the same sport.

Of course, passion manifests itself in different ways. It is self-motivating and it searches for competition to bench itself against others, hence racing and the obession for improvement to the point of perfection. For others, it is that feeling of release and empowerment found nowhere else. And then sharing and relating it with others.

So that's how I see the all-encompassing view of people who are serious about skating.

Going on the extreme end though, I guess the essence of a seriously serious skater is in his/her self-consuming devotion to skating in its purest form - and that is the complete mastery of technique and form with their own unique style.


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Old October 10th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #49
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Those folks are just as serious about speed skating as any others IMO. Call them speed skaters. Let's not be elitists.
I agree. a snobbish elite who does 25 races a year would be quite justified to call the speed skater who does 1 race a year as not a real speed skater, no matter how hard they may have worked in training. That's frankly an insult.

In my book you're a speed skater if you are dedicated to focussing on certain means - ie form, fitness and racecraft - to the ends of being a better and faster skater, whether in an official race or not.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #50
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Or, just because you like going fast, and want to do it to the best of your abilities, even if that doesn't involve being fast enough to be competitive.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #51
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does attention span figure into this? I would guess there are those who might throw themselves totally and completely into skating... and next year find a different enfatuation du jour.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #52
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That may be true for some things, but i question how true it is for speed skating, which i admittedly am confining my comments to.
For speed skating, it really doesn't have much meaning if you don't compete. For the most part, with very few exceptions, speed only has value in and of itself if you are time trialing. And that is like 5% of the sport, nothing more. Speed in inline speed skating is emersed in the pack dynamic, race tactics, race strategy, drafting, passing, breaking away to maximize your advantage, getting dropped by the pack and finishing the race solo, forming a chase pack with other dropped skaters, etc. In a nutshell, well, that is what's in the speed skating nutshell and you don't get those parts of speedskating without racing the field.
Admittedly, that is just speaking for speed skating. NOt trying to speak about anything else beyond speed skating, and other types of skaters are just as serious about what they do, i am sure.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #53
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Thousand mile summers. The serious part is trying not to grin during all of it.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #54
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getting dropped by the pack and finishing the race solo, forming a chase pack with other dropped skaters

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Hah -- too funny.

I have yet to be fast enough to pass or keep with the pack. But, I'm a serious skater. I plug along and plug along and I've made miles of improvements but have MILES and MILES to go. I don't mind. I'm in my 40's and I'm out there - I'm doing something I enjoy...even when I cuss or cringe or feel terrified.

On our team we line up FAST to FASTER. Someday I'll be farther back in line. At least I'm no longer in the very front. Hee hee
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Old October 14th, 2012, 08:11 AM   #55
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A serious skater is one who continues skating despite having bleeding blisters, skinned knees/elbows, dislocated joints, aching feet...

One who...sees every smooth flat place as 'skate-able', cusses at the skies when it rains xDD

I'm just trying to comfort myself; I don't skate often enough or far enough but I consider myself a semi-serious skater - I never want to get out of my skates if I get into them (unless my feet are blistered and hurting too much).

But a serious skater has got to see improvements in his skating..that's why I'm only 'semi'.

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I have a blister, therefore I must be a serious skater.



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Um.... no.



Yeah, I feel your pain.



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Old October 27th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #56
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I think it depends on the individual and how they see themselves.
I started free skating as a kid, did dance (with a little speed skating and figures) for 10 years then tried derby for 2 and now concentrate on jam/shuffle and skatepark skating - and I've always street skated to get around. I think I'm pretty serious about 'roller skating' but my perseption of myself would be different to how a 'serious speed skater' would see themselves.
If I didn't socialise at the rink with other skaters, then I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now. I think it's pretty important to talk to other skaters about their tricks and their skates and whatever else skating related - so you can continue to learn. There is so much to learn about skating!
I do agree with bjvricks, but I hope I don't fall into 'short attention span' being a 'jack of all trades, master of none'
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Old November 11th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #57
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keeps a straight face ,never smiles or laughs.and documents their every improvement in their skate diary
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Old November 11th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #58
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My daughter and I both have quads and blades.


A serious skater pulls a 12 hour intensive labor shift 7-7 then cleans up asap to get on the rink at 7:30-10:30 and burn everyone on the floor all night long.

Worse yet i made a scheduling mishap with my overtime weekend and my daughters football game( no cheerleader here!) And had to trade a guy his shift so i could go. Well i started at 7pm fri, got off at 7pm sat, went skating from 7:30-10:30 .

Another time in one week i had 78.5 hrs in, and still went to 4 sessions that week.


I use old recreational rollerblades to outrun the inline speed skaters.

When i see people skating fast at the rink i make it my goal to dust them while cranking it in reverse.

My wheels always lose grip before i lose power. (80mm Labeda grippers-yellow)

I fall on an average of 2 times per session, not for lack of skill but i push myself every time.

On my quads i run poisons(wides) because changing to a harder wheel for a stickier floor is for sissies- give me a wide uber grippy quad wheel any day. Lol
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Another time in one week i had 78.5 hrs in, and still went to 4 sessions that week.
Yep...that's a serious skater. And a good Dad who shares all that skating fun with his daughter. I started skating with my daughter almost 20 years ago. You are making some good memories.
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On my quads i run poisons(wides) because changing to a harder wheel for a stickier floor is for sissies- give me a wide uber grippy quad wheel any day. Lol
That's funny, 'cause here it's the other way 'round ...
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