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Old August 18th, 2009, 05:07 PM   #1
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I have a vintage pair of Reidell rollerskates. I love them. They had city roller wheels on them. They rolled nice, but I felt EVERY pebble and crack when I'd use them. The cracks in the sidewalk would slow me down terribly. I called a skate supply dealer and talked to a person there. I told them I skate, while pushing a stroller. Mostly flat paved surfaces with the cracks and pebbles. He recommended that I get new Kryptonics ABEC 5 bearings as well as Kryptonics Route Outdoor wheels. I have them and I HATE them. I can't tell what it is that I hate more, the bearings or the wheels. I don't roll nearly as well as I used to and it's much more work to even get up to a good speed. Does anyone have any idea if it is the bearings or wheels that suck. Or maybe it's both. Suggestions?
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I'm not familiar with the city roller wheels. I'm assuming they are small firm wheels since you feel every crack.

What you need is a tall wheel (70mm) in the low 80's (81a or 82a).

If you can't get any speed with your Kryptos is because they are too soft and possible too short. Did you get the 62, 65 or the 70s?

If you need more speed outdoors try one of the Pacer wheels Armadillo has been talking about.

Bearings are probably not the issue, however, Bones Reds are always a great option. Unless you get the Pacer wheels of course. They come with their own mini bearings.
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I can't tell what it is that I hate more, the bearings or the wheels.
I doubt it's the bearings. You could always swap your original bearings into your new wheels. Then you would know...

Krypto Routes are soft heavy wheels. There is nothing that compares for comfort on extremely rough surfaces.

Selecting a wheel is a balancing act. Hard wheels roll easier but you will feel every surface imperfection. Soft wheels slow down the roll but transmit little of the skating surface.

Currently I use two different outdoor wheels. Krypto Route 70s and Pacer Velocity Race 70mm. It depends on the surface as to which I choose. That is unless I want to go on and off skates then I use some Skorpion Quadlines.

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Hmmmm, there must be some solution to this problem, let me think ....

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What, huh? I have no idea what your talking about!

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Old August 19th, 2009, 12:22 AM   #7
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You probably have the front trucks under the ball of your foot. Move them an inch forward. That will solve the problem. Also artistic METAL plates will rattle your bones. Think cheap, plastic is amazing here unless you are a 200 lb. or more person. Krypto 70mm are good but heavy. Bearings wont affect bumps and cracks. Also its technique.

So solution:
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Soft wheels for smooth ride, slighter harder for speed
Decent but not pricey bearings. No need to get better then REDS.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #8
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I have a vintage pair of Reidell rollerskates. I love them. They had city roller wheels on them. They rolled nice, but I felt EVERY pebble and crack when I'd use them. The cracks in the sidewalk would slow me down terribly. I called a skate supply dealer and talked to a person there. I told them I skate, while pushing a stroller. Mostly flat paved surfaces with the cracks and pebbles. He recommended that I get new Kryptonics ABEC 5 bearings as well as Kryptonics Route Outdoor wheels. I have them and I HATE them. I can't tell what it is that I hate more, the bearings or the wheels. I don't roll nearly as well as I used to and it's much more work to even get up to a good speed. Does anyone have any idea if it is the bearings or wheels that suck. Or maybe it's both. Suggestions?
Outdoor skating is not about hard wheels - no matter how well they may roll.
To address the "feeling EVERY pebble and crack" issue, you must get big (65-70mm), soft (78A-80A) & preferably narrow (35-38mm) wheels.

Then you want LESS of the weight at the front of your foot to be concentrated straight down on the front axle. Using a longer plate and shifting it forward about an inch helps greatly.

If you can't upgrade the plate, then just training yourself to roll with more weight on the rear axle can also help greatly. This lets your front wheels dip into AND THEN RIGHT BACK OUT of cracks etc., without being pinned into them so much and making your balance all shaky.

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what is meant by rolling over cracks . . . . but I always step over and around pavement imperfections. On a sidewalk with seams every three or four feet, I make an exercise of timing my foot-up and foot-down to miss rolling over them. Might not work at high speeds.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what is meant by rolling over cracks . . . . but I always step over and around pavement imperfections. On a sidewalk with seams every three or four feet, I make an exercise of timing my foot-up and foot-down to miss rolling over them. Might not work at high speeds.
What Armadillo & RD are saying is too true. Just bend your knees, put your weight over your rear axles, relax, and enjoy the ride!
Oh yeah, and when it gets really rough don't forget to keep your feet moving.

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what is meant by rolling over cracks . . . . but I always step over and around pavement imperfections. On a sidewalk with seams every three or four feet, I make an exercise of timing my foot-up and foot-down to miss rolling over them. Might not work at high speeds.
You are correct, does not work @speed. Big wheels & less weight on front axle are the answer.

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Cliff, read what we have posted. You CAN roll over cracks, sidewalks, pens, flattened cans, pebbles etc. Its all set up and technique. I do it all the time....... Get rid of the art skates. They dont work well outside. I havent fallen since the first month I started skating outdoors except for jumps or people taking the whole bike path while I'm busting it downhill and sliding onto the grass. This is over a year........ Oh, one time I hit an acorn and did a knee slide, over a year ago. Thats it. I jump or hit everything. No watching my way. No stepping over things, going slow, inline wheels or skates. Good ol quads!

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pffffft, on 110mm, I can roll over a medium sized car.
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pffffft, on 110mm, I can roll over a medium sized car.
If ya keep this nonsense up we may have to see about a car door...

Just kidding, but your original post in this thread was quite irritating. Thanks for editing it.
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If all you can offer this forum are these inane comments, please depart the forum and take your smug superior views with you. They do not impress us here, and we have better things to discuss too.
Sheeesh, just trying to point out that just maybe, maybe, skatekeywest might just benefit from inlines outdoors. After all she says she is pushing a stroller. That makes me think that maybe, just maybe, she will be trying to keep fit with her little one and will be doing a lot of outdoor skating. True while indoor she might enjoy quads.
So instead of suggesting inlines, because I know how offensive it is to some people on quads, I decided to get the point out there by making a light humorous joke of it. I think we can live with it and not feel threatened that the quad world is going to fall apart if one person decides to try to skate outdoors on inlines.

Now lets be perfectly honest, If the lady is pushing a stroller with a kid outdoor, wouldn't the best advice be to try for her to skate on something the has the least chance of tripping and falling? IMHO strollers and skating don't go together, but I know the anger that people express when I voice that idea, so I usually just let them hurt their kid. I can't save the whole world by myself.

You got a kid and want to play outdoor, get a bike with a trailer.

as for "depart the forum and take your smug superior views with you", sorry, no can do, live with it, you'll be okay. Trust me.

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So instead of suggesting inlines, because I know how offensive it is to some people on quads, I decided to get the point out there by making a light humorous joke of it. I think we can live with it and not feel threatened that the quad world is going to fall apart if one person decides to try to skate outdoors on inlines.
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BWI, I understand it you intended as light humorous joke
As outdoor-quadskaters we mostly have the cooler looking sexier skates, but we have to accept the bit shorter distance in the same time skating
Good that I dont skate for transportation...

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Yes, we all know inlines can skate outdoors. Not everyone knows that rollerskates can too. Yes, inlines will win in a speed race, but otherwise they both can do the same thing. Just some of us prefer how rollerskates feel. They've been around since before skateboards even, they are tried and true. Most people dont know that their indoor set up DOESNT work well outdoors but an outdoor set up works great.

I'm glad for this sub forum as before, it was all quads indoors, inlines outdoors. This is not true as I always skate outdoor rollerskates.
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