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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #21
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In the future forum visitors who continue insulting others, posting bitter angry tirades, "trolls" who are constantly stirring the pot to cause trouble and get a rise out of others, and forum visitors who generate the most complaints will be moved into an "all posts moderated" category.

If you get moved into the moderated category none of your posts will appear in the forum until we have a chance to read them and approve them (which may not happen right away). If you get moved into that category you might find yourself stuck there for a very long time, so please take this notice seriously. We will not be interested in engaging in a long drawn-out discussion about the fairness of our decision to moderate your posts.

Consider yourself warned.

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Sounds like a good idea. I was on the freeway the other day and traffic came to a stop. I noticed a single wide trailer at a construction site riddled with graffiti. I hate seeing that. It is a violation of someone's property and an affront to everyone who sees it. It is depressing. And who does things like this. People with a punk attitude. People who say, ha ha ha, I messed up your stuff, I made my ugly mark and now everyone has to see it. And if you want to get rid of it, you will have to go to the time and expense to clean it up, and then I will come and mess it up again. Ha ha ha. Here on the site, we have verbal taggers. It would be nice if they could be controlled. It would be nice if we did not have to have their "verbal graffiti" shoved down our throats. Talk about a topic. Attack a persons' ideas without attacking the person. It is just not that hard.

Like Kathie says, it won't be easy to get on, or off, the list. That should keep people who have spirited ON TOPIC arguments reasonably safe.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #22
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Noted Malcolm, but in the future, if you want to report a problem post, discussion, or forum visitor, send a message to skatelogadmin@gmail.com. We address individual problems privately.

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I don't have a problem with that discussion. Took me all of 30 seconds to find a thread describing the behavior you mentioned. If you are going to "police" the board than do so fairly and don't single out a few people just because what they say seems out of the norm and foreign to the majority. It wasn't that long ago and the earth was flat.

Here's another-what about all of the people with "short plates" that trash people with "skateboard" plates. Or how people are "stupid" for not mounting their plates forward.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #23
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The "squats" thread got singled out because of the flood of complaints we received from our forum visitors. Period. No other reason.

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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #24
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Hmm. I've noticed on a board that I'm a mod at that deleting posts/threads in general tends to baffle the general readership and stir problem users on to greater lows. It may be to your benefit to:

a) Consider locking threads instead of deleting them when they have outlived their usefulness.
b) Delete only posts that are demonstrable and confirmable trolling, rather than the assertions of a particularly immature user
c) Avoid the use of threats--in-thread requests for civility from perceived authority tend to be received well if they are appropriately and consistently enforced.
d) Have a more specific TOS policy outlining what exactly is not tolerated and the resources (namely, trained personnel) to back it up. Compare: Your TOS. Our TOS. By having better established rules and boundaries, it will be easier for users to understand why it was that an action was taken and how it would be carried out in future.
e) Avoid discussing reasons for moderator actions outside of private communications with the offending user. While it may seem necessary to justify an action in a thread or forum to a clearly upset user, it:
...1) ...engages them in further discourse on a matter that was 'settled' by moderator action (which presumably was discussed at length with the problem user before or at the time of a TOS violation), enabling perceived martyrdom, and
...2) ...violates the privacy of the user against which action was taken, encouraging only further ire.

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Actually we rarely - almost never - delete OR locked threads in this forum. I can't remember the last time we did it. This is generally a well behaved forum that pretty much moderates itself.

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Old May 25th, 2010, 02:13 AM   #26
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Just FYI, in case anyone has not seen them, these are the official rules for this forum:

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We have always considered those rules and guidelines to be specific enough for this particular community, but suggestions are always welcome.

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Old May 25th, 2010, 02:17 AM   #27
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Just FYI, in case anyone has not seen them, these are the official rules for this forum:

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We have always considered those rules and guidelines to be specific enough for this particular community, but suggestions are always welcome.

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In that case...! Might I suggest that you add a link to that to this? More visibility is always good.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 02:48 AM   #28
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The wording you referenced is vBulletin's terms of service and their default legal disclaimer. In the past we have not felt a need to change the wording of that disclaimer, but instead we created a separate set of more informal guidelines. We switched to vBulletin a while back, and while we love its many features, we're still learning our way around. I'll look into adding our forum guidelines to vBulletin's default. Thanks for the suggestion and reminder.

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Old May 25th, 2010, 03:03 AM   #29
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I said in an earlier message, the "squats" thread was singled out because it caused a flurry of complaints. The complaints caused us to take a closer look at the discussion, but we did not delete the thread simply because people complained about it. We exchanged many behind-the-scenes messages with users, and did everything we could think of to salvage that thread before we finally deleted it. This was an unusual situation for the SkateLog Forum.

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What about people who come on here ,post in every thread trying to sell stuff ,and nothing else ??
I heard theres some Boens on Oz ebay at the moment
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IDK about this "moderated" stuff, but if Ms. Kathy's doling out spankings, sign me up...

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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #32
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Keep up the good work Kathie. I have no problems with the way the forum is run. You can't please everyone, don't make it your job to do it, some people will run you crazy.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #33
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Truth is everyone, I will be surprised if we have to start moderating any of our forum visitors posts. We have a great group of people in here and very few problems. If you are willing to work with us when we point out a problem, you don't need to worry about having your posts moderated. It's not an action we will take lightly or easily and people will be warned before it happens.

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What about people who come on here ,post in every thread trying to sell stuff ,and nothing else ?? I heard theres some Boens on Oz ebay at the moment
We definitely want to know when people are selling things outside our advertising forum. Thanks for the heads up.

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Hmm. I've noticed on a board that I'm a mod at that deleting posts/threads in general tends to baffle the general readership and stir problem users on to greater lows. It may be to your benefit to:

a) Consider locking threads instead of deleting them when they have outlived their usefulness.
b) Delete only posts that are demonstrable and confirmable trolling, rather than the assertions of a particularly immature user
c) Avoid the use of threats--in-thread requests for civility from perceived authority tend to be received well if they are appropriately and consistently enforced.
d) Have a more specific TOS policy outlining what exactly is not tolerated and the resources (namely, trained personnel) to back it up. Compare: Your TOS. Our TOS. By having better established rules and boundaries, it will be easier for users to understand why it was that an action was taken and how it would be carried out in future.
e) Avoid discussing reasons for moderator actions outside of private communications with the offending user. While it may seem necessary to justify an action in a thread or forum to a clearly upset user, it:
...1) ...engages them in further discourse on a matter that was 'settled' by moderator action (which presumably was discussed at length with the problem user before or at the time of a TOS violation), enabling perceived martyrdom, and
...2) ...violates the privacy of the user against which action was taken, encouraging only further ire.

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