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Old April 11th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #21
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I'll get onto it boys.

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Old April 13th, 2012, 07:06 AM   #22
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Old April 13th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #23
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I've got to agree. I was pleased with every aspect of my Jets except the mounting bolts. An email to them regarding the issue was met with a simple answer amounting to "go buy some 3rd party one if you want, just make sure they fit right."

For a beginner like me who is fiddling with my frame position a lot, it's really a pain to have weak bolts. Hasn't gotten bad enough to become unusable but I'm really careful about them now.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #24
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I know some folks here gripe about it... but I really prefer torx-25 over the 4mm hex. I'd like to have torx axles and frame bolts. The only exception to this is the deep, deep 4mm hex of Bont axles.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #25
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I know some folks here gripe about it... but I really prefer torx-25 over the 4mm hex. I'd like to have torx axles and frame bolts. The only exception to this is the deep, deep 4mm hex of Bont axles.
What type of frame do you use? You could try Powerslide axles in them and see if they work.

BTW, most companies other than Luigino use a deep 4mm axle. Luigino is the only one I have owned that does not.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 02:45 AM   #26
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I know some folks here gripe about it... but I really prefer torx-25 over the 4mm hex. I'd like to have torx axles and frame bolts. The only exception to this is the deep, deep 4mm hex of Bont axles.
If anything you'd want the Torx-plus design. Better lobe design for higher stress torque values to be applied (for boot mounting bolts).
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Old April 14th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #27
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Kufman... got a couple powerslide frames laying around, a Venom 3x100 1x90 and a Core xxx 4x100. That's where I came to like torx on axles. I haven't closely compared PS axles with Bont or Luigino axles (oops... a bit of 'cross-threading' going on here...) and so I don't know if the tapers at the head and thread would work well with other brand frames. At first blush I'd prefer to keep the axle/frame combination as all one brand to help assure maximum compatibility.

Back to the OP topic... I swapped my Bont frame mounting bolts to the PS torx even though it makes me carry 2 wenches. Sorry alx, but that's what works out best for me.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #28
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If anything you'd want the Torx-plus design. Better lobe design for higher stress torque values to be applied (for boot mounting bolts).
I'm sorry to say that I have seen rounded torxes from Powerslide. They arent deep enough, comparing to axle holes (thats the one that were rounded).

Beside in race pack there is really easy to get someone to loan you normal imbus wrench, while if you're having a torx axles you might take few groups in case you dont carry everything with you.
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I've seen trashed torx also... almost always because some bozo tried to use a hex driver.
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I've seen trashed torx also... almost always because some bozo tried to use a hex driver.
...and vice versa.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #31
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As a follow up, I replaced the stock bolts with 4 Torx-30 bolts. Those bolts are completely awesome. You have to buy an extra key for them but it's totally worth it.

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Old September 24th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #32
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Looking good alvag. Have a full skate pic?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #33
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So I just ordered z's for me and jets for my boy.... Are the bolt better now?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #34
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They did upgrade the bolts.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #35
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I never had a problem with the bolts. But you need a good wrench, not the T-wrench Bont supplies. That's only good for axles as far I"m concerned. I use the Sonic Pro Tool http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/Sonic...cpage-SPT.html.

The hex tool locks into the head nice and tight, and I can likewise get the bolts really tight. Good leverage.

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Old September 25th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #36
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I never had a problem with the bolts. But you need a good wrench, not the T-wrench Bont supplies. That's only good for axles as far I"m concerned. I use the Sonic Pro Tool http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/Sonic...cpage-SPT.html.

The hex tool locks into the head nice and tight, and I can likewise get the bolts really tight. Good leverage.

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Old September 25th, 2012, 02:45 AM   #37
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I never had a problem with the bolts. But you need a good wrench, not the T-wrench Bont supplies. That's only good for axles as far I"m concerned. I use the Sonic Pro Tool http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/Sonic...cpage-SPT.html.

The hex tool locks into the head nice and tight, and I can likewise get the bolts really tight. Good leverage.

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Looks cool, but isn't it a bit short for doing frame bolts?
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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:26 AM   #38
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Looks cool, but isn't it a bit short for doing frame bolts?
You can do the frame bolts. Can't do full rotations with it because it does hit the wheels. I bought a larger one from a bicycle shop that works better but it only has Allen heads. Which is all you need for the skates anyway.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #39
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Looks cool, but isn't it a bit short for doing frame bolts?
For speed skates, the answer is sort of. It will work if you take all of the wheels out of the frame. Even then, it can be difficult at best. The K2 Skate took works well with 4mm bolts, and the Bont one seems to work just fine for me at the moment. I learned long ago working on various kinds of machinery that stronger pressure into a socket helps prevent stripping.
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I never had a problem with the bolts. But you need a good wrench, not the T-wrench Bont supplies. That's only good for axles as far I"m concerned. I use the Sonic Pro Tool http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/Sonic...cpage-SPT.html.

The hex tool locks into the head nice and tight, and I can likewise get the bolts really tight. Good leverage.

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From the other comments at the beginning of this thread, I guess it was just a faulty batch of bolts. The inbus holes were too big and I ended up rounding a perfectly fine inbus wrench. The new ones I bought are called Torx-30, ISO 7380, M6X12. They have the same length as the bolts from Bont but you can thoroughly tighten them thanks to the T30 head.
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