Roll-Line Mistral Plates

[BlondeWitch]

Wow D! That is some great info. I'm going to try to change them and see how it goes.

I wonder if the cushions I have is what's making my jumps seem so high-impact.

I thought maybe I needed to put some kind of shock absorbing liner in my boot (like Edea's.) But now that I think about it could it be that my cushions are too hard?

[Ancient1]

Hi BlondeWitch,
Most of the high impact is absorbed by the knee bend as the jump is touching down. The cushions shine on holding an edge and on switching edges (either deeper/shallower or inner vs outer).

Holding the leg firm with little flexing in the knee or foot will cause a jarring feeling. Don't look to the cushions to fix that.

Sometimes a jumper will do an opposite thing when landing. Instead of bending the knee as they touch down, they will jump with the soon to be employed leg slightly bent in the air and then on the landing they will straighten it up instead of bending it more. They will jump with the leg bent in the air because they think they are high jumping and need to pull up the feet. It takes effort to break that habit.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by BlondeWitch

Wow D! That is some great info. I'm going to try to change them and see how it goes.

I wonder if the cushions I have is what's making my jumps seem so high-impact.

I thought maybe I needed to put some kind of shock absorbing liner in my boot (like Edea's.) But now that I think about it could it be that my cushions are too hard?

[okie]

Ignore Ancint one,he does not know anything about a roll line plate design etc. And his human part of landing????????????

Firsts thing first. At your weight!!! There is NO way you should be on a urethane clear. Way to hard/stiff. You have very little compliance,shock absorbing. They will still distort enough to let you turn, with extra effort because of the lever ratio designed into the truck and pivot angles.


Just look at how the roll line plate is designed. The large cushion is made to absorb shock and the little cushion is designed for the turning effort desired.

Thats why they have so many different cushions. Rubber/urethane etc.

You need to go for softer cushions immediatly. Call David Ripp,skates us and get suggustions for your weight and style,expierance.

Save your self some grief. ANd money.
okie

[DannyBoySk8s]

Originally Posted by Ancient1

Hi BlondeWitch,
Most of the high impact is absorbed by the knee bend as the jump is touching down. The cushions shine on holding an edge and on switching edges (either deeper/shallower or inner vs outer).

Holding the leg firm with little flexing in the knee or foot will cause a jarring feeling. Don't look to the cushions to fix that.

Sometimes a jumper will do an opposite thing when landing. Instead of bending the knee as they touch down, they will jump with the soon to be employed leg slightly bent in the air and then on the landing they will straighten it up instead of bending it more. They will jump with the leg bent in the air because they think they are high jumping and need to pull up the feet. It takes effort to break that habit.

Hope that helps.

Thank You for sharing your technical expertise, experience and advice with us! I had to learn by experience that if you don’t have the right posture, position and form when landing jumps it will inevitably hurt your knees. I was fortunate enough to have an instructor advise me just as you have (to bend my knee when landing jumps before I did permanent damage to my knees. I still have to focus and concentrate on bending my knee when landing jumps. I expect that in time and with practice it will become instinctive.
Thanks again,
D.

[sk84luv]

Originally Posted by BlondeWitch

Wow D! That is some great info. I'm going to try to change them and see how it goes.

I wonder if the cushions I have is what's making my jumps seem so high-impact.

I thought maybe I needed to put some kind of shock absorbing liner in my boot (like Edea's.) But now that I think about it could it be that my cushions are too hard?

I weigh 141 lbs. Because my plates came equipped with such, I started with all clear cushions. Had I taken more time to educate myself, I would have asked the supplier for a recommendation.

At my weight, the all clear did not suit my desire to cut deep edges. Therefore, I bought a set of clear blues for upper, and lower. That still proved to not be what I wanted. After discussing this with Docsk8, I realized I wanted/needed to drop all the way down to the clear green urethane.

However, upon experimentation, I wound up with clear blues on top, and clear green on the bottom. The clear green used on the upper side proved to be too soft to hold my position correctly.

Now, as for high impact on jumping - I agree with Ancient 1, Jim. In landing my jumps, I felt no difference from all clear to my current clear blue/clear green combination. You just need to bend that knee before landing.

[DannyBoySk8s]

A common oversight when ordering Roll Line Plates for the first time is that we neglect to specify what cushion hardness we will require. As a result, quite often the plates are shipped with the standard cushions for the plate size we have ordered. Generally speaking we will find that these cushions are too hard. We then have no recourse but to place a second order for cushions at a more appropriate hardness for our weight and style of skating. We can avoid this added time and expense by specifying what cushions hardness we will require when ordering. If we are not sure we can contact the distributor by phone or e-mail and indicate our weight and what style of skating we intend to do. Most distributors will be more than happy to suggest the appropriate cushions for our weight and style of skating and make the necessary changes before shipping the plates.
That being said, after you have had your Roll Line Plates for a while, and are more familiar with their handling characteristics it might be an idea to experiment by trying a few different cushion configurations. It is possible that you might happily discover as yet untapped potential and find that the optimal performance point of these plates is much greater than you had first surmised.
D.

[Acid Burn]

[QUOTE=DannyBoySk8s;590706]

Originally Posted by DannyBoySk8s

Just a follow-up note: If you can only afford one set of cushions then I would suggest the Gray Urethane Cushions I believe these would work well for you at your weight of 125 [/B]LBS. If you find that you need more stability than the Gray Urethane Cushions provide, later on when you can afford it you can get a half set of the Clear Blue Urethane Barrel cushions for 22 dollars from SkatesUS.

D.

Leadjammer Skates also carries Roll Line cushions, you just have to email Geno. I'll cut off my hand before I deal with SkatesUS.

[BlondeWitch]

Originally Posted by DannyBoySk8s

A common oversight when ordering Roll Line Plates for the first time is that we neglect to specify what cushion hardness we will require. As a result, quite often the plates are shipped with the standard cushions for the plate size we have ordered. Generally speaking we will find that these cushions are too hard. We then have no recourse but to place a second order for cushions at a more appropriate hardness for our weight and style of skating. We can avoid this added time and expense by specifying what cushions hardness we will require when ordering. If we are not sure we can contact the distributor by phone or e-mail and indicate our weight and what style of skating we intend to do. Most distributors will be more than happy to suggest the appropriate cushions for our weight and style of skating and make the necessary changes before shipping the plates.
D.

I'm semi-mad at Skates U.S. because when I placed my order they said they would call me to get my credit card. I thought to myself I would just order the clear blue cushions when they call. Well since I had ordered EDEA boots from them months ago to try on (I didn't like them) they had a credit card on file for me. They never called me and just charged my card (which was not the card I wanted to use) and sent the plates with the clear cushions attached to my boots.

I guess if I ever get fat I have cushions.

[DannyBoySk8s]

[QUOTE=BlondeWitch;591490]I'm semi-mad at Skates U.S. because when I placed my order they said they would call me to get my credit card. I thought to myself I would just order the clear blue cushions when they call. Well since I had ordered EDEA boots from them months ago to try on (I didn't like them) they had a credit card on file for me. They never called me and just charged my card (which was not the card I wanted to use) and sent the plates with the clear cushions attached to my boots.
Sorry to hear that. It is frustrating when miscommunication or the total lack thereof costs you time and money! It’s always a good business practice to follow through and do what you have indicated to a customer that you would do. It does appear that they dropped the ball on this one. I have never had a problem when ordering parts from SkatesUS. When I have called their Order Desk I have always asked for Phyllis as I have found her customer service skills and product knowledge exemplary. And my orders have always been delivered to my door within seven business days. Perhaps you can see now why I dedicated at least part of this thread to explaining common oversights and how to avoid added time and expense when ordering. Another option that Acid Burn has suggested is to order from Geno at LeadJammer Skates as he also carries Roll-Line Products.

Do keep us posted on your progress and let us know how the softer cushions work out for you. Also if you get a chance I`d really like to know how you like the Reidell 336 Skate Boot that you paired with your plates. I have read about them but have not really heard alot from people who actually own and skate them.

D.

[Acid Burn]

Originally Posted by BlondeWitch

I'm semi-mad at Skates U.S. because when I placed my order they said they would call me to get my credit card. I thought to myself I would just order the clear blue cushions when they call. Well since I had ordered EDEA boots from them months ago to try on (I didn't like them) they had a credit card on file for me. They never called me and just charged my card (which was not the card I wanted to use) and sent the plates with the clear cushions attached to my boots.

I guess if I ever get fat I have cushions.

I was going to order cushions from them but (a) they wanted $55 to ship an envelope of cushions to Canada and (b) when I called them to ask them "what the hell?" they gave me attitude.

[sk84luv]

Originally Posted by BlondeWitch

Ok y'all- then am I doing something wrong? My Mistrals came with clear urethane cushions.

I can't even compare these skates to my other skates so I really don't know how they're supposed to feel.

I am 125 lbs. and they feel fine to me. Any suggestions about what I might think about trying?

after rereading your post #3 in this thread, I must say it appears you are doing quite nicely. If you are content, why change cushions?